EVE General Discussion

Many people in real life are stupid, does that make stupid ok because lots of people are doing it?

Not saying anything is wrong with casual or being in high sec, i'm saying that it's irrelevant how many people are doing whatever.




The bolded part is important. YOU don't get to decide what anyone else does or how they do it. I wish this forum didn't filter out the word I'd like to use, so rather than use it I'll say that this way of thinking is rather....authoritarian...in nature.

Also, the concept of 'senseless' violence is stupid. THIS IS A VIDEO GAME. Everything you do or can do in it is 'senseless' ie 'makes no sense in the real world'. So a guy blowing up a shuttle for no reason is just as valid as a guy building imaginary space ships to sell for imaginary space money.




Gankers don't restrict anyone to anything. Gankers exist and so does my corporation, which is not an npc corp. It's not gankers faults that many people are to chicken **** to leave an npc corp, gankers are just taking advantage of that fact for their own enjoyment, which is fine since that's allowed by the makers of the game.

Many people who quit (such as a few of my friends who I've introduced to the game) would have quit anyways, because EVE requires patience among other things and many who play games want a quick fix they can put down quickly.

Some like to live under the fantasy of "if you just make EVE nicer, people will stay", yet CCP has done this over and over again and it doesn't work. EVE will never appeal to most people , not just because of it's setting (the future and spaceship, most gamers prefer fantasy and unicorns), but because of it's "more hobby than game" nature.

And that's ok.


People are at fault for LETTING someone ruin their game experience. If this is even a remote possibility, that person should reexamine their desire to play games on the internet.

And I admire the people smart enough to say "EVE is not for me" and go do something else (i've met many such players in Star Trek Online, most admit EVE is a good game just not their cup of tea). The people who are smart and leave are better than people who don't like the game, don;t like the community, don't like CCP and yet stay to fight some senseless 'crusade' for a 'better game'.

I really see a lot of codies write that again and again!

I write that too!
I love to write it to codies, when they start crying about stuff.

I like this "survival game play".

But what i despise is when a group of gamers plays only to p?ss of other players.
There are a lot of codies who like to do that.

Just follow there posts everywhere and you will see that they proof them self as lyers, when they start boasting.

The only thing they need to be afraid of is choosing a bad corp. Apart from that, there's no reason to be afraid of joining a player corp.

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It's a game, not a pet, it doesn't come with a responsibility to do anything. And a game delivers entertainment. If you have to search third party websites to find that entertainment within the game, then it's badly designed, hence CCPs aim of vastly improving the NPE.

I don't know how many times you are going to misrepresent my "side" in threads like these, but if you think I'm a "think of the children" type, you need to read a bit more closely. Thinking gankers have a stupidly easy playstyle with minimal risks is not "think of the children".

Most gank for tears, whether you want to admit it or not.

And it's got nothing to do with e-honour. You go on and on and dare I say ON about how risk averse the "carebears" are, while by far the easiest and lowest risk paths to take in EVE are scamming followed by ganking. They need to be balanced with the rest of the game. The fact that when someone suggest balance you go flying off the handle screaming about themepark MMOs and lobbing around personal attacks like they are going out of fashion doesn't change that.

I see. So you agree then that gankers are a problem and need to be balanced out, since they are risk averse and want game developers to limit other peoples game play freedom?

You've "survived" EVE because it's a bloody computer game. It's not even a difficult computer game. That STILL doesn't change the fact that a balance pass is needed for ganking. You're flailing around because you think that particular playstyle is somehow more important than any other playstyle. It's not, and it should have far more cost and risk associated with it, like any playstyle should. Don't get me wrong, missioning needs a good pass too, and trading needs a serious stab in the neck. If they damage your playstyle while doing it, HTFU and adapt. You don't see me rolling around crying now they've nuked the ability to move about the area I live.

At the end of the day change is needed to keep the game fresh and entertaining. CCP know this and are doing well to start thinking about rehashing old mechanics. And if the game gets a bit of safety because of it to drag in more new players and diversify the community, so be it. I'd rather they did that than torpedo the game into the ground because people like you flail about trying to hold up progress.

Ok, you don't like the followers of James 315. We get it. But them aside, isn't the ganking of haulers and miners, the baiting of mission runners, the awoxing or wardeccing of a rival corporation content? If this "non-consensual" PvP as some describe it, is done in a respectful or playful manner, isn't it still content?

I disagree, I provided Veers with a few ideas about possible ways to indirectly hit gankers, specifically the New Order, which he chose to ignore. I encouraged him to educate too, which he also ignored.

As for the comment about sec status repairs, from what I've read it's fairly cheap to go from -10 to -5, then it starts to get expensive.

It's one thing chasing after obscure characters who have donated isk to CODE, and another thing entirely to actually serve up punishment to a ganker. You honestly can't be serious if you're suggesting that as a way to retaliate. All you''d get is trolled on their blog.

It's the other way round, and it's like 300m for -10 to 0. There's a calculator somewhere for it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, bull. Consequences is something EVE seriously lacks in a lot of aspects. Ganking is definitely one of those aspects.

No really bothered about this ganking craze but I will say that to pigeon people by saying they are lazy and should be ganked is a bit tiresome when gankers sit in choke/popular systems and get a pay day for no effort what so ever.