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Need help with Tengu fit (new to WH space)
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Zamm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-11-05 01:28:14 UTC
Hi

I'm an older EvE player but my experience with combat is quite limited (in all aspects). I have run a fare amount of level 1 security missions but that's it. I'm primarily an explorer but would like to venture out into WH space. Nothing too ambitious (obviously). My ships of choice are the Stratios and Tengu. I'm guessing the Tengu would be a better choice?

I was hoping I could get some recommendations for a Tengu fit. As well as regular anoms I would also like to scan down relic/data sites and do those as well.. As I said, I'm essentially new to combat so I'm not sure what sheilds or reps I need against which rats in those anoms. I don't have a lot of combat skills (Heavy Missile Launcher II and T2 drones will take around 16 days). Of course I will wait for whichever one I train to complete before I go in.

Thanks for any help
Z
Zamm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-11-05 01:39:25 UTC
Just to add.. What fit would I need to just deal with Relic/data site rats? Would this be much the same as any combat site in WH space? If I could start doing those sooner that would be nice. I don't suppose a T1 launcher would be up to it?
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#3 - 2014-11-05 01:42:59 UTC
It depends on what space. This a c1, 2, 3, 4.?

Also see sticky post if you haven't checked it yet.

Yaay!!!!
Zamm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-11-05 01:44:32 UTC
C1, C2 to start with...
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-11-05 08:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
[Tengu, WH C1 & C2 Tengu]
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missiles
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missiles
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missiles
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missiles
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missiles

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thruster II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partiition I

Needs a Zainou 'Gnome' Weapon Upgrades WU-1003, which costs nothing, I think 2.5M ISK or so.

Cheap for a T3 as only T2 Fit. You can bling it, but no need for the tank (as you can sustain any anom or relic or data in C1&C2), maybe only for the damage (CN BCS) if you have too much Money and want that extra dps for 100M per module. As you can loose your Tengu everytime I don't think it's worth the Money / pay out on short term.
Easy to fly
Efficient in C1 and C2 wormholes, so there are better ones, but this is not far away from optimal.
No need to care about Neuting, even though neuting in C1 and C2 is not a Problem really, No need to manage more modules than the Missile Launchers, so you have time to check DS regularly.
Edit: Rage for Cruiser upwards, Javelins for Frigates
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#6 - 2014-11-05 08:34:58 UTC
Zamm wrote:
Hi

I'm an older EvE player but my experience with combat is quite limited (in all aspects). I have run a fare amount of level 1 security missions but that's it. I'm primarily an explorer but would like to venture out into WH space. Nothing too ambitious (obviously). My ships of choice are the Stratios and Tengu. I'm guessing the Tengu would be a better choice?

I was hoping I could get some recommendations for a Tengu fit. As well as regular anoms I would also like to scan down relic/data sites and do those as well.. As I said, I'm essentially new to combat so I'm not sure what sheilds or reps I need against which rats in those anoms. I don't have a lot of combat skills (Heavy Missile Launcher II and T2 drones will take around 16 days). Of course I will wait for whichever one I train to complete before I go in.

Thanks for any help
Z


I would suggest an alternative If you are planning on Daytripping from hisec.
The stratios would be a good choice, as the need for cloaking whilst scanning cannot be overstated.
Whilst rats prioritise aggro towards Ewar and drones, sentry drones are relatively safe, fit for omnidamage, fit the covert ops cloak, and the stratios has the scanning bonuses you will need for fast work, if you enjoy PVP, the changes in pheoby, and the increase in daytrippers looking for the new data and relic sites, make the fitting of a scram worthwhile,
C1 and C2 are very different from C3 and up where damage strongly increases, you need to rethink things entirely afresh for that.

Good luck, hope you enjoy the adventure, It is a worthwhile challenge, and the start of a new lifestyle for you.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#7 - 2014-11-05 10:28:43 UTC
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:


That's quite far from optimal...
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-11-05 10:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
far away? Post your optimal please in form of a Stratios or Tengu (requested by thread opener!), that beats this Tengu by far!

If you bling out for sure you can improve something. And as written above there are for sure some better ones. But what I like from this Fitting is the easy to fly and the nice buffer.

Anyway waiting in excited expectation for your fit. If you don't like to share with everybody feel free to just send a PM.

Edit: Sorry, have to use your phrase: ... that beats this Tengu by quite far ...
Winthorp
#9 - 2014-11-05 11:42:22 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=350734&find=unread

Seriously it is stickied for a reason, go ask all your T3 Drake questions in there please.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#10 - 2014-11-05 12:27:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
far away? Post your optimal please in form of a Stratios or Tengu (requested by thread opener!), that beats this Tengu by far!

If you bling out for sure you can improve something. And as written above there are for sure some better ones. But what I like from this Fitting is the easy to fly and the nice buffer.

Anyway waiting in excited expectation for your fit. If you don't like to share with everybody feel free to just send a PM.

Edit: Sorry, have to use your phrase: ... that beats this Tengu by quite far ...


Using a Cerberus would be smarter in general, since it does about the same damage, costs significantly less and reaches out way further. Tengu has a small advantage by having more raw dps, given you use all six launchers.

Quote:
[Tengu, c2 not quite right]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Would be a smart choice. 880dps compared to your 730dps. 150dps extra is *far* in my book. The pimp 80mil SB let's you trade another invuln for a Cap Recharger to even be capstable.

The cerb though is 40% of your tengu, 35% the price of this one, and is with 730dps and double rigors at 40km rage far from worse.

As to myself, I rather use a regular 100mn HAMgu, it runs those sites without an issue and has the added advantage of going 2.4km/s with AB and carrying a point and two webs if someone dares ganking me, this one though also has 5 launchers.
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-11-05 13:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
Looks good. That's not quite far for my feeling, but that's personal. No doubt. As said, there are definetly better ones.

With 35% Cap Stability you might get some issues in one of the data sites in C2, I am not sure. But in General should survive everything I guess if you know what you do.

PS: Cerberus is one of the ships I was using last time, but guess it was not asked by thread opener due to skills?!? Mainly not because of ISK, but because of the skill loss as I lost 2 Tengus already due to stupidity (one time didn't checked DS regularly enough, the other one unexpected wormhole camp).
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2014-11-05 14:22:36 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=350734&find=unread

Seriously it is stickied for a reason, go ask all your T3 Drake questions in there please.


It's pointless, I've tried before. People are dumb.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#13 - 2014-11-05 15:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Ye, I'm off to SiSi to take some numbers on completion times for anoms with various ships. If I don't happen to give up in between, I'll post that stuff in the sticky.

Edit: If you can fly a tengu, you can fly a cerb within 3days latest though.
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-11-05 15:48:55 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Edit: If you can fly a tengu, you can fly a cerb within 3days latest though.


Not automatically.
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=11993

Weapon Upgrades V and especially Energy Grid Upgrades is nothing, which you have generally automatically skilled at V.

Just saying, even though I never regret skilling HACs, so it's defenitely worthwile to do so and I recommend it. HAC V is worth the days as well!
Zamm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-11-05 18:01:31 UTC
Thanks for all the input guys. I'm still learning but I'm getting there. Perhaps I should have said (I forgot). I'm very much in love with covops and would hate to and don't think I could give it up. So a Stratios might be the better option since a lot of my damage would come from drones. Unless I could keep covops on my tengu? I realise my dps would take a hit but I can live with that if it means being safer.. I tend to find empty wormholes but spending any time in there gives the potential for someone to enter and start looking for me. If I have a cloak, I can just warp off and vanish. If I don't then I have to bounce about etc. I don't like that idea.

Thanks again
z