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Anslo
Scope Works
#81 - 2014-11-05 16:40:00 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
I'll go out on a limb and assume that Anslo's words regarding monopoly and popularity contests are driven by community spirit and not mere personal history. He's right. We're capsuleers, the immortal, the few and the empowered. The only gatekeepers that exist in the realm of 'get item, give to individual' are those that have the power to sell or keep such items.

I mean I'm flattered you think that we're some kind of deep thinkers trying to make a point or something, but we just really don't like some people so we did a thing.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#82 - 2014-11-05 16:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
When the equation is so simple, deep thought isn't required outside of learning to live with oneself and reconcile a weakness of character that prevents personal accountability entering such simple equations. For example days, weeks or months of conference meetings over who gets to wear the feathered head dress or hold the conch to do what we all signed up for anyway...

Your approach is brutal, simplistic and not very well thought out. But you WANT to do it. You state you don't care for the consequences, which is the equivalent of considering yourself able to live with them. And you did something. I assume others are doing similar with less fanfare, but there is something to be said for waving a banner to rally to.

Currently, the only person trumping you in terms of grabbing this situation by the balls is The Antiquarian, whose inaction is empowered by literally holding the full set of desired kit.

All the rest of us can do is exhale into the hurricane and hope one of the greater forces driving it feels the same or has a change of heart. We're all entitled to our opinions, but we're far from entitled to have others carry them out just because we feel they're damned good opinions.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Anslo
Scope Works
#83 - 2014-11-05 16:50:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
You think he's the only one with all the items? Also I just posted about this as a big middle finger. Most of the work was done by others in terms of finding the items. I'm not the one who deserves much credit at all.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#84 - 2014-11-05 16:56:14 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You think he's the only one with all the items? Also I just posted about this as a big middle finger. Most of the work was done by others in terms of finding the items. I'm not the one who deserves much credit at all.


He's the only one I know has them all, and I learned a long time ago that there's only so many hidden players you can worry about before you're shouting at shadows like a booster addict. Face the known quantities head on and prepare your most convincing 'just as planned' when Istvaan shows up, as I was once told.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Anslo
Scope Works
#85 - 2014-11-05 16:57:31 UTC
ISTVAAN ISN'T HERE WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT WHO TOLD YOU OH CRAP SCRUB THE PLAN GUYS WE'VE BEEN FOUND OUT. WE'RE ****** GUYS IT'S OVER.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#86 - 2014-11-05 16:58:41 UTC
Just as planned.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#87 - 2014-11-05 17:43:47 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Rhavas wrote:
It appears to me that most of the hex code is simply wrapperwith no names for the communication channel. In previous encounters with rogue intelligences, it was clear from syntax that these entities were trying to achieve expression within their transmissions - I do not see that here. I suggest that we apply an assumption of simplicity here - that wherever Dr. Tukoss is, he is having a very difficult time keeping the channel open.

I suspect the Sleepers themselves would have similar issues. Dr. Burreau disappeared, and Hilen a couple of years later. My presumption is that they both went the same place, and Hilen is attempting to return. I am more interested to determine who his acting henchmen are that placed the receptacle in Eram.

I do however agree that withholding the items (presuming they haven't already been handed over) pending a clear explanation of their intended use is the wiser part of discretion.


Some materials are already handed over. The only thing we can hope for now is that the exchange is slowed down enough to buy time to clarify the going-on's.


Unless I missed something the only proof of this we have is the statement of a single capsuleer with no names of donors and no camera drone pictures.

Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary

Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#88 - 2014-11-05 17:46:40 UTC
Jeremiah Cole wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Rhavas wrote:
It appears to me that most of the hex code is simply wrapper for the communication channel. In previous encounters with rogue intelligences, it was clear from syntax that these entities were trying to achieve expression within their transmissions - I do not see that here. I suggest that we apply an assumption of simplicity here - that wherever Dr. Tukoss is, he is having a very difficult time keeping the channel open.

I suspect the Sleepers themselves would have similar issues. Dr. Burreau disappeared, and Hilen a couple of years later. My presumption is that they both went the same place, and Hilen is attempting to return. I am more interested to determine who his acting henchmen are that placed the receptacle in Eram.

I do however agree that withholding the items (presuming they haven't already been handed over) pending a clear explanation of their intended use is the wiser part of discretion.


Some materials are already handed over. The only thing we can hope for now is that the exchange is slowed down enough to buy time to clarify the going-on's.

Progress will not be impeded by Empire lap dogs.


Aye. But there is not yet proof this is not a CONCORD ruse. Do not underestimate their desperation. Who could best install a container in Eram?

Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#89 - 2014-11-05 18:11:21 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Honestly we don't give a **** what ~organization~ you make. We won't recognize it. We'll do what we wish to do. We'll submit what we wish to submit.

Your ~committee~ has no authority over the rest of us.


Are you addressing me, Anslo ?


My point was, that some individuals, who happened to be A'J members in the past, have decided not to submit things. Other individuals, some of which may be A'J members, have submitted things.

Individual decisions.

Thus, people should not say that A'J has decided not to submit things, because that suggests a decision making body exists. Which it does not.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Anslo
Scope Works
#90 - 2014-11-05 18:16:05 UTC
Not you Val.

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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#91 - 2014-11-05 18:26:35 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Honestly we don't give a **** what ~organization~ you make. We won't recognize it. We'll do what we wish to do. We'll submit what we wish to submit.

Your ~committee~ has no authority over the rest of us.


Are you addressing me, Anslo ?


My point was, that some individuals, who happened to be A'J members in the past, have decided not to submit things. Other individuals, some of which may be A'J members, have submitted things.

Individual decisions.

Thus, people should not say that A'J has decided not to submit things, because that suggests a decision making body exists. Which it does not.



I never said that A'J had made a decision. From my previous post, "I guess you haven't noticed all the A'J members requesting people not to turn in anything in just yet."

-Eran
Edvar Maulerant
Doomheim
#92 - 2014-11-05 18:46:17 UTC
Rhavas wrote:
Aye. But there is not yet proof this is not a CONCORD ruse. Do not underestimate their desperation. Who could best install a container in Eram?

The onus is not on those proving Hilen Tukoss' identity. It is in those hoping to prove the contrary.

There is no evidence incontrovertibly proving he is not Hilen Tukoss, whereas there is evidence stating that this is Hilen Tukoss.

This argument obfuscates a concern many others have; if these items are given, will we be given an explanation of their use and purpose? Evidence of Hilen Tukoss previous interactions with capsuleers is clear; he asks for help, and rarely gives answers. This is why I personally suggest waiting for evidence. I do, however, note that the individual has stated he has little time. If he does need assistance, and there is a delay in providing it, there will be no answers.

Other considerations:

1. These messages may be pre-recorded.

2. He may be unable to respond to inquiry for various reasons.

3. Without the necessary items he may not be able to answer further questions.

From an ethics standpoint, Capsuleers have limited resources to study the items in question. Hilen Tukoss has stated ability to study them and requires them. If we have no use for them or means to study them in-depth it would be best to give them to an individual who can make use of them. It is, after all, the purpose of Site One.

Arek'Jaalan was never intended to be some sort of monolithic bureaucracy. It was designed to facilitate research, observation and education. I believe that giving these items to Hilen Tukoss via Site One would further these goals. Keeping these items locked away, unstudied, is simply paranoia and goes against everything Arek'Jaalan was founded upon. It goes against the very principles of sharing research, promoting cooperation, and helping one another unravel mysteries we all seek answers to.

I know that as capsuleers, it's hard to trust. It's hard to accept that we can't just rely on ourselves. If we are to grow, if we are to move beyond simply being reactionary animals driven by base desires for wealth and influence, we must learn to trust. We must learn to put our faith in something greater, in the hope that one day we will have the answers to the questions we share.

I do not suggest blindly trusting Hilen Tukoss. On the contrary, I am wary of him. However he has offered us something we cannot do ourselves. If we let this opportunity pass us by, what does that say about us? What does that say about our future?

I would also like to point out that Hilen Tukoss has consistently provided that which he promises. Capsuleers rallied to provide resources for Site One. He did not simply take those resources and run; Site One was constructed. I would also like to point out that in the past, he has not promised answers. Now, he offers an explanation once he receives what he requires. It is a change in stance based on a change in circumstance.

Against my better judgement, against every instinct in my being, and against every voice I find validity in telling me otherwise, I feel that we need to trust. As hard as it is, as difficult as it may be, we should trust.
Shae Mataar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2014-11-05 18:56:06 UTC
all this infighting is completely useless! dammit people! we have verifiable accounts of materiel drops being made. how about we put our heads together and try to figure out what they might be useful for?

if this is the opening-gambit of some jove-powered-sleeper-drone-master-race that is about to infiltrate the nation, turn sansha into their own personal lap dog, and use his incursions as a basis for an empire invasion... well?

dont you at least want to know what kind of ammo is most useful to keep your popcorn hot?

/sarcasm

capsuleers may be gods among men, but we've got an amazing talent for acting like spoiled little children. how 'bout we put our prodigious talents to work and at least spitball some ideas of who and/or what we may be facing here?

seems to me to be the one thing that is relevant to /everyone's/ interests here...

i bring that which you fear the most

freedom

no matter what the price

Jeremiah Cole
Dark Matter.
#94 - 2014-11-05 20:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeremiah Cole
We once ventured into wormholes--into unknown territory--with reckless abandon and without fear. We tamed stars; colonized long forgotten worlds; swam across the maws of black holes; gazed upon the ethereal light of red giants; survived in an environment so harsh the Empires dare not venture forth.

Now fear rules you all. It stagnates progress, turns the fruits of your labor into putrid abomination. It poisons your minds, fills you with doubt and suspicion. Out of desperation for control you sow the seeds of distrust and bigotry under the guise of a search for answers. We will not take part in such malignant behavior. We will see to it that progress is made.
Anslo
Scope Works
#95 - 2014-11-05 20:05:03 UTC
Jeremiah Cole wrote:
We once ventured into wormholes--into unknown territory--with reckless abandon and without fear. We tamed stars; colonized long forgotten worlds; swam across the maws of black holes; gazed upon the ethereal light of red giants; survived in an environment so harsh the Empires dare not venture forth.

Now fear rules you all. It stagnates progress, turns the fruits of your labor into putrid abomination. It poisons your minds, fills you with doubt and suspicion. Out of desperation for control you sow the seeds of distrust and bigotry under the guise of a search for answers. We will not take part in such malignant behavior. We will see to it that progress is made.


Here here!

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#96 - 2014-11-05 20:12:33 UTC
I am informed, via the Arek'jaalan channel, that the Antiquarian himself, placed all the items requested, into the container. If true, then it's quite possible that Dr. Tukoss now has as much material as is needed to do whatever it is that these things were for.

So, lets see what the results of all this are.


Anyway:

According to an associate, the container has the following attributes:

It only accepts items of the types requested. Attempts to do something like, cram it full of bottles of spiced wine, in order to sabotage the process, will thus fail.

It is impervious to ship mounted cargo scanners, which means capsuleers cannot tell how much material has been donated.

It employs one-way loading mechanisms. Once an item is placed in the container, it may not be retrieved.

Interesting.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Anslo
Scope Works
#97 - 2014-11-05 20:13:34 UTC
FINALLY.

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#98 - 2014-11-05 21:11:15 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
I am informed, via the Arek'jaalan channel, that the Antiquarian himself, placed all the items requested, into the container. If true, then it's quite possible that Dr. Tukoss now has as much material as is needed to do whatever it is that these things were for.

So, lets see what the results of all this are.


Anyway:

According to an associate, the container has the following attributes:

It only accepts items of the types requested. Attempts to do something like, cram it full of bottles of spiced wine, in order to sabotage the process, will thus fail.

It is impervious to ship mounted cargo scanners, which means capsuleers cannot tell how much material has been donated.

It employs one-way loading mechanisms. Once an item is placed in the container, it may not be retrieved.

Interesting.

I'm sure, with enough firepower and luck, that the items are perfectly retreveable... Unless it's built in the same fashion stations are...

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Anslo
Scope Works
#99 - 2014-11-05 21:26:07 UTC
Yeah good luck with that.

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#100 - 2014-11-05 21:34:52 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Yeah good luck with that.

I can't field enough firepower to make the attempt. If I could, I might do it for the giggles.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.