Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A lot of folk in this thread seem to have the 'ump

Your scout reveals that the next system is also clear so your capital enters warp. A hostile fleet enters the scout's system with 10 more seconds left before you land on the gate in the adjacent system. They dscan and sees no ships; your scout is cloaked and they suspect as much. Suspecting that your scout is a scout for a capital, his fleet splits up and jumps to the neighboring systems. One of them comes through to your system just in time to see the capital come out of warp. The rest rush to that stargate while the capital spends the next 8s dropping out of warp. The capital is pointed and bumped as it tries to align to a celestial. You know that jumping through will meet a similar fate on the other side because your scout can see the rest of the hostile fleet landing on the stargate in the other system. All but the dictor jumps through to your cap. You know that jumping through will just get you bubbled long enough for the hostile fleet to wait out their aggression timers. 10 more seconds left to finish targeting that first ship which tackled you. The entire fleet is on you and their friends and the rest of the region are inbound to you. Just as you lock the first ship, it warps off, but you still have 10 other ships with points on you and 30 more seconds to target them.

You know that even though there was no gate camp, the systems were clear, and you had a scout, jump caps through stargates is always a bad idea because caps are ill-suited to stargate jumping. You know that capital fleets can only be moved in blobs. The goal of the latest patch becomes obvious: more, not less, blobbing. more, not less, time leeching for the most mundane tasks. more, not less, alts required to scout multiple systems in every direction and to and jump multiple cynos for every 2-3 ly at a time for ideal cyno placement for caps. Is it a conspiracy, you ask? Only if the secret was hidden for the population. But this one seems blatantly obvious. With major buffs to range and jump fatigue, black ops are the new cap pilot transport system across Eve to his new network of pre-fitted and strategically placed capital ships.

Well, there are a lot of capitals, a lot... Sooner or later players will move them. They will be bored waisting time... More and more bored or/and angry, upset, etc. More and more players. Not good for sales...

Expecting fix of fix in next patch ;)

Would anyone like to enlighten TGR about log-off mechanics?


Jump into a frigate, let alone an interceptor, and watch how the previous buffs to frigate warp speed really make a frigate fly through systems in seconds. Spreading to the gates with a hostile in system is standard procedure for trying to catch the hostile. And while the hostiles zip to the gates, the dscans commence. There is nothing new in these tactics. Please tell me that you have been in a roam or two that have spread to cover all the gates in a system in order to catch a hostile. Then count the number of seconds for your frigate to cross 10AU. not so impossible now is it?

PS: You might want to check your facts about log off mechanics. It doesn't work like it used to where a supercap could logoff and be safe regardless of what was on him because they couldn't drive through the hp fast enough. These days, the only way to secure safe log off in space is to leave fleet, power off all modules and select safe log off for 30s. It's funny how safe log off is your best reply to the previous scenario. Pretty sure log-off during warp doesn't keep your ship from landing. If it still does, I have to wonder how CCP missed that in their aggro logoff timer overhaul a while back; renders the safe logoff feature a bit obsolete and pointless. Take that scenario forward 10-15s seconds where the cap is landing on gate or has jumped through when the hostiles enter that adjacent system and the cap needs 30-42s after grid has loaded in order to align out of there. The frigate comes through the gate and immediately aggros the cap and bumps it regardless of log off.

Two more quick points:
I never said that the point was to feed cap kills. I said that a major selling point was to tailor a description of the mechanic with the idea that there would be lots of caps tired of waiting to jump and going through gates to get caught by anyone.

Also, the point about BLOPS was not that they would form the primary combat forces but only that they would serve quite well for moving cap pilots quickly across large distances to the cap ships staged in the next combat region. That was following the numbers of 80% reduction to jump fatigue and 12-15ly jump distances. Perhaps CCP has toned down these bonuses since I last saw them.

You mean the mechanics I've used numerous times to keep my freighter safe while encountering roaming gangs in deklein? Yes, please, do tell me how it actually works, since I've ... uh, wait, I do know how it works, because I've yet to lose a single freighter while doing this exact maneuver. And it's a maneuver I've done tons of times specifically in response to a roaming gang. It's even been a roaming gang which has caught up to me from the direction my scout wasn't looking.

I must've hacked CCP's gibson to make this work.


You're assuming that a roaming gang is assuming that every system has a cap in warp TO a gate leading to the system they've just entered. I've been in tons of roams, and I've yet to see a single fleet operate in this manner. The roaming gangs I've been in on have all had a specific route in mind, with a single scout (maybe two, but mostly one, staying 1-2 jumps ahead of the fleet, reporting on what he sees in the system), and unless the scout sees a large (comparatively) number in local, isn't seeing them on dscan on the ingate, and even then even only if he can actually figure out where they actually are and warp to the belt/anomaly and tackle them would the rest of the fleet jump in.

At no point would any sensible roam treat a system in the manner you do, unless they knew there was someone already in system they wanted to catch who weren't docked up, cloaked in a safe or in a POS. They certainly won't be acting in this fashion just in case ONE of the gates in this system with one guy in it they can't find on d-scan actually has a cap 10 seconds away from landing on the gate, because that doesn't scale. They can do it on a single system, but then they have to move on to the next system, which means waiting even longer to get everyone back into the initial system they were in, on the outgate, then continue travelling, etc etc etc. But please, tell me more about how this is standard practice.

The only time I've seen fleets operate anywhere near this method is during wartimes, and even then the scouts spread out in the surrounding systems to see where the enemy fleet might be coming from. Still not anywhere near your fantasy island scenario.


I know precisely how logoff mechanics work. I've used them to keep my Deklein freighter safe from roaming gangs numerous times, and I've been one of the proponents of changing how logging off with aggression works. That's why I specifically said "unless you have an aggression timer, you've got more than ample time to log off while in warp.".

Now I don't know about the people you fly with, but if I have an aggression timer, I sure as **** won't be travelling with any ship that's expensive, let alone a capital, because I want to be able to do exactly what I've been doing numerous times to escape roaming gangs.

And yes, logging off while in warp does stop you from landing, if you're far enough away from the actual landing spot. You'll be at the gate when you log back in, but you won't necessarily land. I've done this numerous times before.


i.e. basically saying "the new system will feed cap kills to subcaps".


I quote from the front page: "We're going to bump the max range of black ops ships up slightly to 8LY, and likewise give them a ~50% fatigue bonus."

But I'm fairly certain interceptors would still be quicker even if they had 12-15LY and 80% fatigue bonus. Certainly cheaper to lose when you do lose them.

Spreading belts? He didn't say spreading belts, he said gates, and having one go through to the other side for each gate, just on the off chance that the guy they can see in local but can't see on scan is a cloaked up cap scout, and the cap is going to land on grid shortly thereafter.

And all of that was going to be done in less than 10 seconds after they'd gotten into the system the scout was in, which is interesting considering the last time I checked you're usually visible for a few seconds before you've actually loaded system enough to actually do anything like warping to the next gate.

And it would have to be done for each and every system they enter and they see a hostile, on the off chance there's a cap inbound.

Chances are he's travelling by gates because he's got jump fatigue, so that's not a sure-fire escape route. Otherwise it would be, but logging off in mid warp (without an aggression timer, Andy) is more reliable.

So he did... 0.5 points revoked. Also, I can read, really, I can. Shut up!

***** imma cut u

Well my wife certainly thanks you for this change.

1. Jump
2. AFK for an hour and work around the house
3. Jump
4. Repeat step 2

Thanks Greyscale!