Wormholes

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Re: the sheet, any chance you could put all the rads and mags at the bottom of each classes list instead of sprinkling them throughout?

With current nano prices, is this a net increase for low class or a return to what it was when nano prices were better?

LOL

too ******* funny.

The fact of the matter is this.

Given the amount of risk, logistical effort, scanning effort, etc;

The fact that highsec totally safe incursion runners can earn just as much if not more as wormholers in high class wormholes is not okay IMHO.

I agree with corbexx that an increase in base site loot, (not cap escalations) encourages people to take risk in their statics rather then just sitting back and running capital sites. I also think that it would encourage people to daytrip into the c5 wormholes in mauraders etc as well.

I can already make about 300m an hour flying mauraders, but thats a huge risk with a 2b ship (we fly in 3-4 so 9-12b risked), also counting scanning, bookmarking, salvaging, keeping scouts on holes, and moving the goods to safety.

IMHO it should be 400-500m an hour with the level of risk and effort you need to make to earn it(300m an hour with domis). It isnt nearly as much/hr because of limited non respawning sites, and all the things documented above. Think of it not like OMG 500m an hour, but how it should be. Wormhole static/daytripping should be a large burst of income(expensive sites) because of the non earning time/risk, vs the consistent isk/hr and safety of incursions.

Jesus how greedy you guys can be

No solo PVE income in game compares to marauding C4/C5 sites after Phoebe buff, does it require some effort, yes, is it risky, yes, but please grow some hair and balls or just go suffer incursions.

The issue is people are doing this, you'll end up with all predators and no prey. there will be nothing for you to hunt and kill in wh space.

It's not about greed. Honestly.

It's about risk:reward, and getting people into wormholes. C5 sites require billions of isk to run AT ALL. The minimal investment (Domis) is still significant, especially when you consider that their use generally requires living in a WH. It's not impossible to day-trip, but I'm making a point about investment vs. return.

WH ratting is inherently more dangerous because you're more likely to lose your ship (no local/CONCORD). It's more expensive because you need either groups or very blingey ships to be able to run them at all. It also take more time because you have to scout the chain and also take the goods to market.

This is why incursions//null ratting are a good comparison. These comparisons use isk/hr as a metric because it's the metric that determines what activities the bears will do. Sure, some people will do ANY activity as long as they like it, but ratting isn't that fun. Most people determine their ratting behaviors based on in-game rewards of which isk/LP is the main unit.

So, when you correct for all this, it makes sense to measure it in isk/hr and it makes sense to have WH content be more profitable than other activities IF YOU WANT TO GET PEOPLE TO DO IT.

WH life is supposed to be dangerous, hard and lucrative. If it's no more lucrative than the other activities that are safe and easy then nobody will bother, unless they really love the fancy backgrounds or something.

What we're doing here is trying to design the system so the incentives are at the correct level. We want more people to be active in wormholes, and to be active in ways that interact with other players both inside and outside their corp.

We want this because we want wormholes to be a vibrant section of the game.

If you don't understand these fundamentals, you should probably just quietly wait and hope that they bring back ratting API's.

u sounds like my ex girflriend, Olesia is that u? if yes, plz stop posting here. we r done. If not. statements based at bias that average people are smart, therefore their mentions worth notice, are wrong.

While in general im agree with u (more peeps in wspace-better) im afraid that your main idea based on bias, that carebears provide content. They do not. They farm home sites/statics and while do so-yes, they are targets. but as long as they dont-u will see just a fleets under the force field. The meta what u suggest will rise number of ppl under the force fields, and random ganks ofc, but with that, whine/pressure on CCP to change this juicy environment to be not that dangerous, cause they simply CANT PROTECT themselves from dis damn gankers (what they already DID with API stuff) will rise significantly.
tl;dr U want w-space with local? Because thats how u get local to w-space.

2 the ones who still think its not worth to stay in w-space, cause potatoe dominix is quite expensive: i just dont understand what u want? u pay for this domi by ONE hour of bearing, and u pay for one Month of subscription by another 3-4hours of farm. So what is your suggestion? domi shoild pay itself by 15 minutes and a plex done in 30? or? just cant get math.
And about logistics, have u ever tried rolling hole to find what are u looking for? or u just scan static once per day and if there is no good exit-log off till tomorrow?
PS

1st false. null ratting done by bots, therefore this cant b metric
2nd. 3 years of trading prove (at least to me) that most people determine their ratting behaviors on OMFG i have no idea what, but for sure, not the highest isk/hr activity. And even more, not isk/lp. Otherwise there wont be 50-100% margins and 10b incomes per month with higest is/hr possible in this game.

last one for this moment. It looks like you are trying to make mathematical calculations of people motivations, but this wont work. We are not machines, we are leaded by emotional/psychological factors much more than by reasonable/logical motives.

I think this does far more to kill content in WH space then some 'farmers' whining to CCP for more protection. API log off traps weren't very skillful and I'm not sorry to see them gone. I am however still completely up for evictions and all the other stuff some people like to whine about.

We've come across plenty of so called 'farming' corps in WH space in the short time I've been with USYSC and they've given us fights plenty of times back because we don't have 3 bhaalgorns, 15+ t3s and a triage archon waiting to stomp down the chain on a group of 5 players all dual/multiboxing to get decent numbers. Literally the only time we've turned down fights is with groups bringing too many numbers/having too many ready on standby for us to compete against with the numbers we have online.

As for the ISK aspect, I feel the lower end holes got the rough end of the deal with the Frig hole/wormhole spawn amount changes/sleeper RR, and the buff to isk earned and the new null type data/relics is justice served. c5/c6 isk should stay the same on the 'general' level, but I'm inclined to see a nerf to capital escalation isk followed by a buff to the 'base' isk. More people using statics = better regardless of who they are.