EVE General Discussion

Not for the company that can't make Alliance bookmarks, no.





And then he realizes that alts exist, and if you want to do so, it's 12 per hour. Or more, if you dedicate multiple accounts to ganking.

CCP doesn't allow recycling of gank alts...and it's a pain to move 2 different sets of chars. If you look at CODE's killboard you realize they gank freighters every 15 minutes or so. Making a second alt fleet is just too much of a headache, for now at least.

Explain how so? Removing the ability for a pilot to warp without an active warp disruption module breaks the oldest coding in the game.

Citation needed... because this is clearly made up bull.

It already is an exploit to evade concord, and the timer does not stop you doing the evading.

It should be, considering that you basically just made all of that up. You were saying that solo gankers have isk efficiency in some cases.

I'm telling you that if "isk efficiency" is supposed to be a balancing point then the Procurer must be nerfed. And then I said that isk efficiency in solo ganking is quite likely related to popping pods and T1 haulers anyway.

And as for what you think the intent was behind the destroyer rebalance... given how much people never stop crying when other people are allowed to shoot them, I highly doubt that potential use for ganking somehow failed to cross CCP's minds when they rebalanced destroyers.





That is a rational challenge.

PvP in highsec in general, and ganking in particular, has been nerfed too many times already. You don't get to nerf it any more. L2P.

That's pretty much the gist of it.



And? Seriously, what is the point of that? It's not like any losses a new player has aren't replacable incredibly easily. Hell just redo a tutorial and you get a destroyer and a handful of frigates.






Since wardecs are 100% voluntary, yeah it kinda does. Unless you're arguing to drastically buff wardecs, which I'd be all for.




*buzz*

Nope, wrong.

Since all this QQ you lot have been spewing onto these forums is all about new player retention, you don't get to get off that easily talking about that nonsense.

CCP has already told us that most people who get into the boring PvE activities in this game quit out of boredom.

Meanwhile, Brave Newbies and RvB, the two organizations that offer easy, accessible PvP with an SRP for newbies, without all these "consequences" and "punishments" that you lot want to inflict on people, have a vastly better retention rate of new players.

The verdict's long out on what actually keeps people playing this game. And it's sure as **** not mining and shooting red crosses.

The easiest way of not getting ganked is simply to fly in less populated systems. If you need to cross Uedama or Niarja and want to be 100% safe, get a jump freighter and avoid those danger areas. Otherwise you aren't nearly safe no matter how you fit your freighter. End of story.

I didn't "make up" any of that, and the point being made was that the fate of the procurer should not be restrictive factor to looking at balancing ganking vs other ships. Sure, the procurer is too far the other way, but that doesn't mean ganking as it is is balanced.

Well that isn't the gist of it. And what's funny is that CCP come along to make changes to make it safer, all the carebears say "yes, make it easier". Then on the other side everyone goes "BLEEEEEH L2P HTFU NOOB *troll troll troll*", and somehow you're shocked when they listen to the carebears.

You don't get to decide whether or not they nerf it, that's CCPs choice. you might want to focus more on making sure they know that your side also has rational arguments, or get used to it not going your way.

Sure he can, but you know that as a vet. All they see is repeating stuff to recover their stuff because some random ganked them purely to watch them complain about it.

Doubt it. All evidence points to wardecs getting a severe nerf in the near future. But no, once again balancing a mechanic is not based around a completely separate mechanic. You might want to think of it that way, but that doesn;t make it the way it works.

Wrong. What they stated is that of new players, 10% move to player interactive content, 40% move to missioning and mining and 50% leave. Of the 40% he states that "many" leave which is open to interpretation.

The most important part of this though is that the 40% is clearly stated as people who play solo, missioning or mining and don;t trade much, which mean the industry core of the playerbase is in the 10%. See people like yourself think that 10% is "The PvP group" but it's not, it's simply the players who interact with others, be that in PvP or through trade, industry, incursions etc.

So until the day that CCP turn around and remove the enormous variety of "non-pew" activities from the game, it's going to remain a fact that there's a whole variety of valid playstyles, so pushing ganking to be the primary path for newbies is unlikely to become a reality.

I just wanted to seem relevant by saying that my grind is mindful.

On other note don't you think it's strange (or maybe tragic?) how many times we can write exactly the same arguments in almost exactly the same threads and most often than not against (hmm, towards? grammar/style derp I suspect) exactly the same people?