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Telemortation removed: can we address medical clone costs now?

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#141 - 2014-11-04 14:29:46 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
people who undock where it matters, and where CCP wants people to go for their gameplay.


But I want to pod my enemies, knowing that their losses matter!

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2014-11-04 14:34:33 UTC
go for it, I just do what my FC says because I'm a monkey. I just wish I could go on carefree roams on my own in bubble country. If I did, I would go quickly broke -always- and that's what this is about. for me.

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Amarrian Cougar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2014-11-04 15:44:55 UTC
I agree with OP. I completly understood and agreed with hi-cost clones when you could death clone across the galaxy on a whim, but now, the only time these clones are going to be getting popped is because of hostile action.

If the "travel" was the main reason for the high price, that reason is now gone and the price of clones should decrease. My clones only cost 10 mil and even I think thats outrageous. I can't imagine what it's like for people with 150 mil SP. Your clone shouldn't cost more than the T2 ship you're flying.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#144 - 2014-11-04 16:21:21 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
go for it, I just do what my FC says because I'm a monkey. I just wish I could go on carefree roams on my own in bubble country. If I did, I would go quickly broke -always- and that's what this is about. for me.


But think of the other side: I wouldn't want my enemies be financially able to go for care free roams in my country without going broke quickly!

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Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#145 - 2014-11-04 16:28:43 UTC
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#146 - 2014-11-04 16:33:01 UTC
Noobs like me should totally have a cost advantage over vets like you! Unless you want to be a meat-shield too!

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#147 - 2014-11-04 16:35:53 UTC
the plan was never to not be a meat shield, I just thought moar SP was a good idea. meat shield gets **** done

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#148 - 2014-11-04 17:18:31 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Considering CCP is finally making the real changes that need to happen (see Phoebe travel), I am very optimistic. Everyone knows my position on this subject. Will it be too revealing if for you to tell me if I will be happy or not?

Man you're just getting everything you want, aren't you?

You're getting everything I want too. Smile
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#149 - 2014-11-04 17:19:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
btw. I flew this out of jita to YA0, and everyone had +5 sets. I'm not averse, I just know what a waste of ISK looks like.

that was a lot of fun, I'll admit. the Torrinos camp ran from me. no killboard evidence does not mean no gameplay.

the assets I was piloting and the implants I had in, I should lose those in PVP. but not the SP I've paid to accumulate.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#150 - 2014-11-04 19:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
people who undock where it matters, and where CCP wants people to go for their gameplay.


But I want to pod my enemies, knowing that their losses matter!

Both are good points and both matter. I love eve but also love working on vintage motorcycles. After years of eve, should I have had to stop training years ago to afford nullsec? I dont have piles of alts to PvE and farm up plexes. As result, I have to limot my pvp time so I can spend 10x as much time on pve to afford it. Look at net total time invest per character, you are all in same boat. How do we put effective cost on it? Maybe more versatility on implants. so peeps in frigs, that implant is way more effective. Gain to your risk vs Investment. Second, I agree on reclone timers. If somebody wants to undock and feed sucide risk, well gonna lock up yourk clone. Promote smat play instead of welping. Also cell phone. Sorry about typos

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#151 - 2014-11-04 19:33:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I don't think EVE should be throttled in that way. making EVE bigger is ok, through jump fatige. locking clones just makes EVE slower.


I was having a conversation with a friend on irc about bling losses, PVP in general. if SP loss-free med clones happen, I'm going to roam in a golem to celebrate, possibly several times (with several golems).

it has to be a zero-isk zero-SP lost option, though. the part about "choice" worries me, like, the cost will still be there but now you have to pick between one of three reasons for spending it.

the option i'm listening for is pay nothing, lose no SP.

did I mention it's something worth keeping a number of mains on individual accounts over, to me?

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ArmyOfMe
African Atomic.
#152 - 2014-11-04 20:39:27 UTC
I honestly dont get why ppl whine so much over clone costs. Yes, the clone is more expensive then a frig, boohoooo.
Most ppl have implants worth a ton more then the clone cost anyhow, unless your one of those with 400mill sp

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#153 - 2014-11-04 20:47:34 UTC
it sucks when you incur the cost several times in a quick succession. that ISK went to no one except CCP.

med clone cost scales infinitely. casual or infrequent undockers don't have an issue.

read the thread.

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Dr Beatrox
Doomheim
#154 - 2014-11-04 23:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Beatrox
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink.

The isk sink is so absurdly small that my spacepoor self could probably cover it for everyone in this game for November and possibly through December as well, judging from the math given by some dude in this thread who took the opposite position. It may as well not exist, the economy certainly isn't going to notice the difference.

what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#155 - 2014-11-04 23:30:54 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Considering CCP is finally making the real changes that need to happen (see Phoebe travel), I am very optimistic. Everyone knows my position on this subject. Will it be too revealing if for you to tell me if I will be happy or not?

Man you're just getting everything you want, aren't you?

You're getting everything I want too. Smile

I've managed to convince myself that I want it too.
So that happened.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#156 - 2014-11-04 23:32:30 UTC
Dr Beatrox wrote:
what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions.

And I guarantee you many of these people aren't losing pods that often. They're choosing to avoid ships or areas of space where their pods are at a high risk of becoming exposed and captured.
Paranoid Loyd
#157 - 2014-11-04 23:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Dr Beatrox wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink.

The isk sink is so absurdly small that my spacepoor self could probably cover it for everyone in this game for November and possibly through December as well, judging from the math given by some dude in this thread who took the opposite position. It may as well not exist, the economy certainly isn't going to notice the difference.

what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions.

Hundreds of millions? Which ones are those? Last I checked the most expensive ones being used are 40mil and that would be on the rare side.

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Fix the Prospect!
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#158 - 2014-11-05 00:09:25 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Dr Beatrox wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink.

The isk sink is so absurdly small that my spacepoor self could probably cover it for everyone in this game for November and possibly through December as well, judging from the math given by some dude in this thread who took the opposite position. It may as well not exist, the economy certainly isn't going to notice the difference.

what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions.

Hundreds of millions? Which ones are those? Last I checked the most expensive ones being used are 40mil and that would be on the rare side.

I pay over 40m every time.
Paranoid Loyd
#159 - 2014-11-05 00:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
I realize your API is not linked but according to the kill boards you have not lost a pod since June, how many times were you podded last month? Was it really a significant influence on whether or not you undocked?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#160 - 2014-11-05 00:36:38 UTC
that multibox gang I posted, you're looking at 1.1 Billion SP. Hence my talk about 350 million ISK pod totals.

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