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Add ice belts to w-space

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Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-11-04 15:24:49 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
The blog states that CCP has accepted the fact that wormholes are permanently inhabited, and they love it. In other words, they are now treated equally to other parts of space in terms of living.

Please point out how having to haul ice into wormholes improves the game, kid.

Accepting the fact and deciding to make cave-dwellers self-sufficient isn't the same thing, as someone with even a basic level of intellect understands. The fuel run exposes the cave dwellers to PvP during their time in k-space, thus generating content and conforming to CCP's promotion of conflict. Do you understand the big words?
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#82 - 2014-11-04 18:21:06 UTC
Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:
King Fu Hostile wrote:
The blog states that CCP has accepted the fact that wormholes are permanently inhabited, and they love it. In other words, they are now treated equally to other parts of space in terms of living.

Please point out how having to haul ice into wormholes improves the game, kid.

Accepting the fact and deciding to make cave-dwellers self-sufficient isn't the same thing, as someone with even a basic level of intellect understands. The fuel run exposes the cave dwellers to PvP during their time in k-space, thus generating content and conforming to CCP's promotion of conflict. Do you understand the big words?

How do you equate living in a cave to living in a wormhole? W-space is just as connected as any system in k-space; you just have to work to find the exits. As for this myth about it having less content or less pvp, I suggest seeing how taking a small fleet into an occupied c3 goes.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#83 - 2014-11-04 18:35:37 UTC
Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:
Accepting the fact and deciding to make cave-dwellers self-sufficient isn't the same thing, as someone with even a basic level of intellect understands. The fuel run exposes the cave dwellers to PvP during their time in k-space, thus generating content and conforming to CCP's promotion of conflict. Do you understand the big words?


Shocking revelation (not the ship..) coming from someone whom tought herself to read at age 2 (yes I was two years old when I figured out to read and as shocking as that may sound I figured out talking before my first birthday),

wh-space has a true-sec level of -1.

Since ice fields went into the winds and we got ice-anomalies instead, they appear on everyone's onboard-scanner. Having nobody in local also means that nobody would know when your ice-mining op get's interrupted.

That means, having ice-anomalies in wh-space also promotes pvp.

Catherine and I do not know how much more clear we have to make this to you?

Do you understand big words or "simple" ones for that matter?

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#84 - 2014-11-04 22:52:27 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:
Accepting the fact and deciding to make cave-dwellers self-sufficient isn't the same thing, as someone with even a basic level of intellect understands. The fuel run exposes the cave dwellers to PvP during their time in k-space, thus generating content and conforming to CCP's promotion of conflict. Do you understand the big words?


Shocking revelation (not the ship..) coming from someone whom tought herself to read at age 2 (yes I was two years old when I figured out to read and as shocking as that may sound I figured out talking before my first birthday),

wh-space has a true-sec level of -1.

Since ice fields went into the winds and we got ice-anomalies instead, they appear on everyone's onboard-scanner. Having nobody in local also means that nobody would know when your ice-mining op get's interrupted.

That means, having ice-anomalies in wh-space also promotes pvp.

Catherine and I do not know how much more clear we have to make this to you?

Do you understand big words or "simple" ones for that matter?

I am ok with feeding the trolls in forum threads as it promotes content and pvp. Big smile
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#85 - 2014-11-05 22:23:15 UTC
Scuzzy Logic wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Add comets that randomly spawn in any system (including WHs)

How does it work?

A comet spawns randomly in a system, it has ice as an outer layer, once the ice is gone, it has minerals as a second layer, and when that is gone, a little moon goo as the core. There is a trail of gas that can be mined as well.

The trick is, it moves at 1000 m/s (unless you web it), and particles fall off (so you take damage from the comet itself while mining).

It has to be scanned down to be found.


Using combat probes, Obv.

This idea needs its own thread.


I also want them to crash into planets occationally, destroying PI when they crash, so you have to mine it out, web it/bump it off course to not have it destroy your PI.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#86 - 2014-11-06 02:28:53 UTC
Title of thread - Yes, please.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#87 - 2014-11-06 04:55:54 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:


The blog states that CCP has accepted the fact that wormholes are permanently inhabited, and they love it. In other words, they are now treated equally to other parts of space in terms of living.

Please point out how having to haul ice into wormholes improves the game, kid.

Please point out how a single region of high, low or null have all the resources they need to build everything locally.....
Answer. They don't.

Yes, WH's don't have T2 Moon Goo, but since you get all the T3 stuff in WH you just use T3 instead of T2.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2014-11-13 17:33:10 UTC
Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:
corbexx wrote:
Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:
WH not intended to be home, therefore it doesn't make it easy to live in one. This is - yet another! - attempt by WH-dwellers to take a firmer grip on the WH "they own", by reducing their exposure to hostile elements.

-1


On a scale of 1 to 10 (you can use 11 if your super mad i guess) how mad would you be if i said i'm pushing hard to get this added to wormholes?

I am in no way mad, though I question now YOUR sanity.



time to check my sanity as ice is now in shattered wh's

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#89 - 2014-11-13 18:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
corbexx wrote:
time to check my sanity as ice is now in shattered wh's


Funnily enough also in those shattered which can only be accessed by frigates if I understand the dev blog correctly:

DevBlog wrote:

The seventy five Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems [...]
They will contain minable ice fields. This will be the first ice available in wormhole space.
[...]
The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, [...]
All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter.


Unless I have missed something and CCP also introduces frigate class ice miners: Want to check your sanity again? Roll

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corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2014-11-13 18:43:16 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
corbexx wrote:
time to check my sanity as ice is now in shattered wh's


Funnily enough also in those shattered which can only be accessed by frigates if I understand the dev blog correctly:

DevBlog wrote:

The seventy five Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems [...]
They will contain minable ice fields. This will be the first ice available in wormhole space.
[...]
The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, [...]
All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter.


Unless I have missed something and CCP also introduces frigate class ice miners: Want to check your sanity again? Roll


frig wh's are only for the small shattered wormholes and dont apply to the standard shattered ones

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#91 - 2014-11-13 18:45:15 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
...Unless I have missed something and CCP also introduces frigate class ice miners: Want to check your sanity again? Roll


I am tinfoiling "shattered ice" to be mined there.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#92 - 2014-11-13 18:45:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
corbexx wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:

Unless I have missed something and CCP also introduces frigate class ice miners: Want to check your sanity again? Roll


frig wh's are only for the small shattered wormholes and dont apply to the standard shattered ones


And how do I get a Skiff into a Small Shattered Wormhole?

--

elitatwo wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
...Unless I have missed something and CCP also introduces frigate class ice miners: Want to check your sanity again? Roll


I am tinfoiling "shattered ice" to be mined there.


Could be an option. Though, ice still requires ice miners and there is no frigate class ice miner. So, will you tell me where you got your tinfoil hat? I need one.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#93 - 2014-11-13 19:37:11 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
corbexx wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:

Unless I have missed something and CCP also introduces frigate class ice miners: Want to check your sanity again? Roll


frig wh's are only for the small shattered wormholes and dont apply to the standard shattered ones


And how do I get a Skiff into a Small Shattered Wormhole?

--

elitatwo wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
...Unless I have missed something and CCP also introduces frigate class ice miners: Want to check your sanity again? Roll


I am tinfoiling "shattered ice" to be mined there.


Could be an option. Though, ice still requires ice miners and there is no frigate class ice miner. So, will you tell me where you got your tinfoil hat? I need one.



Not all Shattered wormholes are small ones.

So yes, ice it's possible to mine, in WHs.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#94 - 2014-11-13 20:31:38 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:



Not all Shattered wormholes are small ones.

So yes, ice it's possible to mine, in WHs.

Would I be correct in the assumption that this is a potential testing ground for adding ice belts into normal w-space later on?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-11-13 20:37:47 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:



Not all Shattered wormholes are small ones.

So yes, ice it's possible to mine, in WHs.

Would I be correct in the assumption that this is a potential testing ground for adding ice belts into normal w-space later on?


They will make you "rage-roll" your entrance until you find a shattered or provide randomly spawning belt not fixed to specific systems like in k-space imo.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#96 - 2014-11-13 20:46:18 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:



Not all Shattered wormholes are small ones.

So yes, ice it's possible to mine, in WHs.

Would I be correct in the assumption that this is a potential testing ground for adding ice belts into normal w-space later on?


They will make you "rage-roll" your entrance until you find a shattered or provide randomly spawning belt not fixed to specific systems like in k-space imo.

TBH even if they do allow for bubbles it'll probably go the same route with the mordus system; bubble bath for a month or so, then when more people take interest or lose it, things start quieting down.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#97 - 2014-11-13 20:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not all Shattered wormholes are small ones.

So yes, ice it's possible to mine, in WHs.


... *sigh*

I must be really hard to understand today. Roll

Let's make it easier:

I still question his and all other's sanity responsible for this for putting ice belts into wormhole systems which can only be accessed by frigates, ie. the Small shattered W-space systems, as there is no way to mine them there.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2014-11-13 20:59:24 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not all Shattered wormholes are small ones.

So yes, ice it's possible to mine, in WHs.


... *sigh*

I must be really hard to understand today. Roll

Let's make it easier:

I still question his and all other's sanity responsible for this for putting ice belts into wormhole systems which can only be accessed by frigates, ie. the Small shattered W-space systems, as there is no way to mine them there.


right in the frigs ones you wont be able to mine the ice, you will be able to mine the ore in the standardones you will be able to mine both.

reason its in both is to keep with the theme would be my guess

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#99 - 2014-11-13 21:09:28 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not all Shattered wormholes are small ones.

So yes, ice it's possible to mine, in WHs.


... *sigh*

I must be really hard to understand today. Roll

Let's make it easier:

I still question his and all other's sanity responsible for this for putting ice belts into wormhole systems which can only be accessed by frigates, ie. the Small shattered W-space systems, as there is no way to mine them there.


right in the frigs ones you wont be able to mine the ice, you will be able to mine the ore in the standardones you will be able to mine both.

reason its in both is to keep with the theme would be my guess


Any chance we might see a small-scale ice mining ship? Something bigger than a venture but smaller than a barge?
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2014-11-14 10:03:49 UTC
elitatwo wrote:

Shocking revelation (not the ship..) coming from someone whom tought herself to read at age 2 (yes I was two years old when I figured out to read and as shocking as that may sound I figured out talking before my first birthday),

wh-space has a true-sec level of -1.

Since ice fields went into the winds and we got ice-anomalies instead, they appear on everyone's onboard-scanner. Having nobody in local also means that nobody would know when your ice-mining op get's interrupted.

That means, having ice-anomalies in wh-space also promotes pvp.

Catherine and I do not know how much more clear we have to make this to you?

Do you understand big words or "simple" ones for that matter?

Impossible to teach yourself to read, as there is no natural connection between script and sounds; someone needed to show you the connection, so your attempt to establish credibility has failed.

Having ice in no way promotes PvP, as the outsiders would have no idea it had spawned until they were in the cave itself. As they are already there, they will attempt PvP regardless of the ice. Therefore the ice has not promoted PvP.

While I understand you cave-dwellers want a life entirely on your terms, the fact is the requirement to leave your hole to get fuel is the only way to guarantee risk. Spawning ice in there is a backwards step.

-1 to the idea.