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Will freighter warp webbing go to way of the dodo?

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Hevymetal
POT Corp
#1 - 2014-11-04 09:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
With the new patch and anti-corp agression mechanics going into place preventing AWOXing of corp members also have the consequence of preventing corpmates flying freighters from getting boosted by webbing them into warp from other corpmates? I have a feeling someone's gonna be suprised if this is the case. Web to help freighter --> Poof from Concord?

{{To prevent misinformation, a quick note: There has been no change to corp aggression mechanics in Phoebe. The changes which are being discussed in this thread have not even been officially announced as being implemented by CCP. Please keep that in mind in order to best keep this discussion constructive. -- ISD LackOfFaith}}
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-11-04 09:35:55 UTC
I heard duel requests were a thing.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2014-11-04 09:54:38 UTC
Or you set up a corp with all dedicated webbing alts and have a mutual war with the freighter corp.
Ama Scelesta
#4 - 2014-11-04 09:57:34 UTC
Safety settings are also a thing. Putting it to red is a statement, that you know what you're doing or don't care about being CONCORDED.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2014-11-04 10:13:13 UTC
The changes are bad and force people to exploit other (even worse) game mechanics such as WOW duelling. Especially freighter pilots have set the auto-reject to this function because you get spammed with it at every major undock and even on gates.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#6 - 2014-11-04 10:19:58 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
The changes are bad and force people to exploit other (even worse) game mechanics such as WOW duelling. Especially freighter pilots have set the auto-reject to this function because you get spammed with it at every major undock and even on gates.

So the Freighter pilot makes the request of the alt, not the other way around. Also you only need to do it once then it refreshes every time you web. So you can briefly enable them, then disable them.
Lastly, I do not think this word exploit means what you think it does.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2014-11-04 10:44:32 UTC
OP seems to imply that the 'anti-Awoxing' change is coming.

However, it's not in the current patch notes and, I thought, currently just an assumption based upon a part of the last CSM minutes.

If, 'freighter-webbing' now becomes 'CONCORD-illegal' in the future, does this link to the plan that Capitals will be allowed in High Sec? For that would make sense, given that Freighters were originally a Null Sec ship for transporting Station Eggs and perhaps that's where they belong. Carriers and the Rorqual (and hence keeping that incredibly useful drone bonusShocked) would become the High Sec haulers of choice - given they can fit a fairly decent tank. In fact, given their immunity to EWAR, perhaps Supers will be the Bear ship of choice?

So, is it actually coming to pass? Will accepting a duel be the logical solution?

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-11-04 11:13:13 UTC
Duels. I believe the duel timer lasts long enough for a freighter to cross a system, come out the other side and then be webbed again.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2014-11-04 11:17:55 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Duels. I believe the duel timer lasts long enough for a freighter to cross a system, come out the other side and then be webbed again.


Thanks, I shall give it a try. Never used duels (was away when they were introduced) and otherwise don't really see the point in them - it's not like combat.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-11-04 11:27:15 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
Duels. I believe the duel timer lasts long enough for a freighter to cross a system, come out the other side and then be webbed again.


Thanks, I shall give it a try. Never used duels (was away when they were introduced) and otherwise don't really see the point in them - it's not like combat.


I blocked them on my hauler the moment I first saw them but I learned just yesterday that it is possible to initiate a duel from a character who has duel invites blocked.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-11-04 12:08:44 UTC
I hate to crash this daily meeting of the Oh God Help Us The Sky Is Falling club, but it must be remarked upon that nowhere in Phoebe has a change to intra-corporation aggression mechanics been made.

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Barefoot Shiraz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-11-04 12:27:08 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I hate to crash this daily meeting of the Oh God Help Us The Sky Is Falling club, but it must be remarked upon that nowhere in Phoebe has a change to intra-corporation aggression mechanics been made.


What this man said. What are you all babbling about?
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-11-04 12:35:16 UTC
Barefoot Shiraz wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I hate to crash this daily meeting of the Oh God Help Us The Sky Is Falling club, but it must be remarked upon that nowhere in Phoebe has a change to intra-corporation aggression mechanics been made.


What this man said. What are you all babbling about?


This.
But still, get out of highsec.


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The Tomonator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-11-04 14:13:52 UTC
does this change also impact fleet? (weren't you able to attack other fleet members freely? Or am I mega out of date lol)
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-11-04 14:17:44 UTC
The Tomonator wrote:
does this change also impact fleet? (weren't you able to attack other fleet members freely? Or am I mega out of date lol)


Out of date.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2014-11-04 14:43:25 UTC
Not entirely sure what some of the intervening posts were about....

But I thought I'd test - result:Smile

No, as we all thought, it's not been introduced yet - and may not be, indeed I assume.

However, if it is, then accepting a duel is certainly the way to be able to continue to web freighters/capitals if that is desired. Not only does the duel last 5mins (which is quite a long time), it even resets each jump and so doesn't have to be repeated. This indeed would also work to allow non-corp members to assist ships too, so even more flexible.

If the change comes about, then the mechanic can still work. No changes, freighters just as vulnerable or able to take precautions as now.

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2014-11-04 14:49:31 UTC
so, as I assumed, this whole craze has been a result of ideas being thrown around and subsequently being taken as fact by those who wish it were so.
In other words, if it were real it would be in the patch notes... not something trivial that would be omitted on accident.
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2014-11-04 15:48:16 UTC
Speculation on possible future changes is fine, and we've seen plenty of threads talking about the possible future change in corp aggression mechanics. That said, there has been no change to corp aggression mechanics in Phoebe, nor is there even an announced set of changes that affects those mechanics. Please keep that in mind as you discuss the topic.

I am adding a note to the end of the OP to prevent misinformation.

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The Tomonator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-11-04 15:53:36 UTC
Big Thumbs up to clearing that up!

(wishes he'd had time to read the detail in patch notes)

Yeah, the way it's been talked about here made it seem like it was happening this patch. Personally, for whatever reasons, I quite like the way it is. Corporation for me is about trust. Don't let people in you don't trust, and know that even trusted people can still decieve you. that's life. There's only one way to be truly safe, run a corp with only your accounts in it (yeah, even your RL best mate might screw you over for a laugh!).

:)
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2014-11-04 15:55:06 UTC
Just made my week. These alleged changes have caused nearly as much hysteria on GD as the Ebola virus has on American media. TY ISD LackOfFaith

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

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