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The fate of the "Answer everything" thread

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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#61 - 2011-09-12 19:07:12 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Stuff


easy sum up, it was too much work to bullsh¡t the answer to every question... so we will not be doing it.

Hey at least you aint bullsh¡tting us all.
Damassys Kadesh
Royal Khanid Hunting Society
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#62 - 2011-09-13 01:02:00 UTC
dgastuffz wrote:
"We answered 347 questions out of the roughly 1100 we received,"

and how many answered about FW i would say you fail


This is my problem too. I'm glad that there has been a response to the small outcry from people wanting to know what happened to the answering, but even though there was an acknowledgement to how many FW questions were asked, nothing FW-related got addressed in those 347 answers.

Here is the post that can be found on page 2 of the existing answers:

Quote:


CCP Manifest


C C P Posted - 2011.05.12 17:37:00 - [35]

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FACTIONAL WARFARE STUFF

There were many questions. Many.
I will be working with Soundwave to get answers for you (not a new effort), yet there will be a slight delay though as right now he's headed to a player meetup in Moscow with CCP Daishi, Molock and Spitfire. Please bear with us.
******************************

Sourem Itharen > Congratulations Lady Kadesh, you have been selected by trial of fire and blood, under the watchful eyes of God, to represent Lord Khanid as his champion in the Imperial Succession trials -YC117

Leon Razor
Measure Zero
#63 - 2011-09-13 01:10:53 UTC
Not surprising to me, but I'm not upset. I really like this idea and the results I saw. With everyone complaining that "the dev's don't work on eve anymore" and that "the dev's never talk to us", a complete success with the answer everything thread would result in solving the latter and exacerbating the former. Something like this is very time consuming for the devs and needs to have reasonable goals with controlled time commitments.

Focused topics is not a bad idea, but if this is the approach you take, please also have some open topics so people get a chance to ask questions you never expected.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#64 - 2011-09-13 01:44:22 UTC
If nothing else CCP Guard, this made me smile, in a sad faced sort of way.

It does take long enough, but worth it in then end. Too bad and better luck next time....

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.

Jesus Rambo
Criterion.
Pandemic Legion
#65 - 2011-09-13 02:10:39 UTC
Just wanted to say guys, thanks for the apology. Even if you weren't able to answer every question, thank you for answering those that you did, and thank you for acknowledging your shortcoming.

It'd be nice if we could see a lot more of this attitude from CCP in general :) Great work Guard!
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#66 - 2011-09-13 02:30:06 UTC
How about a 10 question answered a week devblog? At least then we'll have something to look forward to consistently.

Stuff Goes here

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#67 - 2011-09-13 02:36:01 UTC
Like many other's, I appreciate the tone and words you used in letting us know what the situation is. I feel like I was talked to assuming that I was an intelligent adult and being addressed by a similar co-worker . Of course there is an element of bs any time something promised can't' be delivered, especially when third parties are involved but enough of a picture was painted that I can get a picture of the complexities.

Also, I did thoroughly enjoy the answers to many of the 300 questions answered even those on subjects I really wasn't terribly interested in intitially.

I'm curious more about process than results.. like to know more about the history behind a decision than the final answer. A number of answers went that direction which was a lot of fun for me.

I had a couple questions of mine regarding internal process with drop decisions and the actual programming load changes in ship speed or damage attributes would take.. but.. I guess they'll wait.

Now.. given this intelligent crowd (well at least 1 out of 5 qualify so that still means at least hundreds in the smart-boat) and a crowd thats willing to roll up their sleaves and do some work,, I'm sure someone is going to make a list of the questions answered and a list of those un-answered.

I'm not sure there was a pattern at all... but the part of me that relishes thinking about process and motivation looks forward to knowing which types of questions were difficult to answer.. which ones perhaps were avoided....but thats my idea of fun!

Thanks to the developers for the many answered questions.

Thaks to you for a respectful explanation.

.

Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Doomheim
#68 - 2011-09-13 02:39:10 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:

Funny thing about this post perfectly shows why the players truely dont want transparency. They give us transparency, we give them flames lol



There are only flames because the things revealed in this transparency are making people cranky.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2011-09-13 02:47:14 UTC
Of the 1/3 that were answered, time was spent on being giving a wise crack answer to non-Eve related questions, instead of answering the serious game content related ones.
And off all the questions that were asked, (as stated above) - not one FW question was answered - we were promised a more considered response from Soundwave. So where is that dev blog CCP???

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#70 - 2011-09-13 04:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Fon Revedhort
Many replies were just full of fail anyway.

I guess I should blame CCP Greyscale personally, but anyway, what's the point in starting such a thread when you don't really feel like giving proper answers? There's no reason to make a single dev answer each and every question of any given player, cause it may easily result in dev talking about something he doesn't have a clue on.

It was our fault, too, to abuse your invitation and start asking as many questions as we could come up with, but still you have to realize that a dialog like the one below doesn't make any sense whatsoever and is just a waste of time for both the player and the dev.

- Why do you think cruise missiles need that huge range? They clearly lack DPS and no one needs to shoot missiles up to 250 km
- I don't actually have a good answer for this. It may well be "because they've always been long-range"...

or:

- Why don't you fix NH's powergrid issue? Everyone agrees it's broken.
- NH balance - is the Nighthawk actually underpowered? I see people saying that there's things that they'd like to be able to do but can't due to grid issues, but is this driven by "the NH is really underpowered/under-used compared to other ships in its class because of this grid issue"?

Come on - that was among the worst trolling attempts (deliberate or not) I've ever seen. This is definitely NOT the way you should answer the questions. Either adress them thoroughly or skip altogether or just pass to another dev.

Thanks for giving us a honest reply and I really appreciate all the efforts you put into it, but please do note my words for the next time.

No need to reinforce our feeling on you not playing your own game Blink

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.

Fawcks
Doomheim
#71 - 2011-09-13 04:14:50 UTC
I only have one question.

How do I win Eve?
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2011-09-13 06:54:17 UTC
1st of thanks for letting us know and not just over looking it.

tbh i'm not supprised by this.


new corp moto ccp 2011 letting customer down time and again
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#73 - 2011-09-13 07:38:06 UTC
Katrina Bekers wrote:
Thank you, CCP Guard, for your straight honesty.

You knew you'd probably be "burned at the stake" (yes, CCP Soundwave, I'm looking at you!), and still had the guts to undock knowing that the station was heavily bubbled and camped with angry hostiles.

It's said that optimists see the glass half full, the pessimists see it half empty, and the engineers know the glass is twice the size it needs to be.

So, rather than 2/3 failure (or 1/3 success), I'd rather think the task completion was beyond your control.

In this day and age, CCP has not (only) a problem of success/failure ratio. We came to expect glorious failures from you guys - from boot.ini's to melting GPUs. The wondering on next patch isn't "it will break something?" anymore, but rather "I will be able to play decently again how many weeks after the next coding disaster?". In a wicked way, it's even amusing.

And yet, CCP has not entirely understood that the technical prowess (rather, its absence!) or promise to Deliver Excellence (buzzword detector is going off-scale!) are not their main concern. Their main concern SHOULD be the loss of trust and the abysmal job on communicating with your playerbase.

CCP Guard faced the forum squarely in the eyes, and came out admitting failure to deliver: the fate of that answers thread is a sad one, and I mourn the answers I won't get to my (many! maybe too many!) questions. Yet, the appreciation of his desire to communicate and not childishly hide behind a finger is what is largely appreciated by most posters.

There is a lesson in this thread. I dearly hope it's learned.


I stand behind this and will also like guard for his honesty.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2011-09-13 08:24:08 UTC
I always did think that you were hopelessly optimistic on this initiative but being a bit of an optimist myself I can relate.


A few thoughts on how things played out -

Only a subset of the questions were answered, it's not just the number of questions which was limited - it was also some topics got answered and some did not. This leads to the impression that some subjects are being avoided by CCP (FW comes to mind).

Also need a kind of mechanism to consolidate the questions - many times you have the same question over and over.

Find the key questions - answer those. People will be happy (er).


Better luck next time and thanks for the heads up.
Talia Nachtigall
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2011-09-13 10:57:31 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
/shakes head, crawls away.

(Edit had to)

Well that's great, that's just ****in' great, man. Now what the **** are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty **** now man...


Aliens reference just saved this thread. Righteous. Lol

Don't pray for my soul. ;)

Fawcks
Doomheim
#76 - 2011-09-13 11:16:55 UTC
Talia Nachtigall wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
/shakes head, crawls away.

(Edit had to)

Well that's great, that's just ****in' great, man. Now what the **** are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty **** now man...


Aliens reference just saved this thread. Righteous. Lol

Man, I'm gonna go find that post and give that person a +1. Aliens is the ****.
Fawcks
Doomheim
#77 - 2011-09-13 11:19:50 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Friends,

You all remember the „Devs answer everything thread“ (I know for a fact that some of you do at least) that we started this spring, with the intention of – as the title subtly hints at - answering every question therein.

As a brand new Community Developer, I started this project with the full intention of pushing it through no matter what. Then summer came with the final Incarna sprints, the Incarna launch, and all that followed. The summer period was extremely hard in terms of securing any „extra“ time from developers to spend on answering questions from the thread, and it‘s not going to get any easier. Answering this amount of questions publicly takes a lot longer than many would expect because often you get second thoughts about details that you then want to research, or you want to polish the wording so it´s clear and understandable for what you intend it to convey.

Long story short, I grossly understimated the time it would take to finish answering all these questions, and overestimated the man hours I would be able to secure. And I learned a few valuable lessons along the way. One of them being never to use the word „promise“ unless you KNOW the result.

It is time to step up and admit defeat and apologize - we will not be moving this thread over from the old forums. Statistically speaking the project was two thirds of a failure. We answered 347 questions out of the roughly 1100 we received, despite repeated attempts at securing manpower. I can only hope that the questions we did answer made all of this at least somewhat worth it for some of you.

We‘ll go back to the drawing board and figure out different ways to do similar things in the future. To those that took part, waited, and never got what they came for, I humbly offer my most sincere apologies.

-CCP Guard

Even though I didn't know about whatever answer thread you are talking about until coming to this one, I am now angry at you forever. Now give me some free in-game crap. PLACATE ME! :/
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#78 - 2011-09-13 11:21:57 UTC
Fawcks wrote:
I only have one question.

How do I win Eve?


The same way you win Global Thermonuclear War.
Fawcks
Doomheim
#79 - 2011-09-13 11:34:08 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
Fawcks wrote:
I only have one question.

How do I win Eve?


The same way you win Global Thermonuclear War.

Tic Tac Toe?
Konnrade
Nex quod Principatus
#80 - 2011-09-13 11:37:57 UTC
Oh well, you made a solid effort and let us know you couldn't finish it. No complaints here.