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Advice on avoiding the Suicide gank

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#161 - 2014-11-04 00:50:23 UTC
Can anyone else figure out why Veers so relentlessly wants to grief new players by savaging their comparative income?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2014-11-04 00:53:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cancel Align NOW
Haleuth wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


The difference is that you never had a large group of players with a significant SRP who sit in highsec all day, every day, suicide ganking people. It's not the mechanics that have changed, it's the desire of a large swath of the nullsec playerbase to try and make highsec uninhabitable for new/casual players.


You dont know what your talking about, macrointel was the organisation that preceded code way back in 2006 and our brutix's and fittings were paid for by nullsec alliances/t2 BPO holders.


Thanks for the reminder Haleuth. My apologies for the forum foo foo.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#163 - 2014-11-04 00:53:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Can anyone else figure out why Veers so relentlessly wants to grief new players by savaging their comparative income?


I know...it's crazy....he wants to make them able to generate income in highsec without blowing up as much....there is nothing more likely to drive them into bankruptcy and out of the game. I guess he is just one of those Goon alts who wants to squash any potential competition. Lucky we have others, like CODE, who do everything the can to make the game enjoyable for new players and encourage them to stay in the game. Big smile
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2014-11-04 00:55:50 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Can anyone else figure out why Veers so relentlessly wants to grief new players by savaging their comparative income?


I know...it's crazy....he wants to make them able to generate income in highsec without blowing up as much....there is nothing more likely to drive them into bankruptcy and out of the game. I guess he is just one of those Goon alts who wants to squash any potential competition. Lucky we have others, like CODE, who do everything the can to make the game enjoyable for new players and encourage them to stay in the game. Big smile


You love run away inflation?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#165 - 2014-11-04 01:01:51 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Can anyone else figure out why Veers so relentlessly wants to grief new players by savaging their comparative income?


I know...it's crazy....he wants to make them able to generate income in highsec without blowing up as much....there is nothing more likely to drive them into bankruptcy and out of the game. I guess he is just one of those Goon alts who wants to squash any potential competition. Lucky we have others, like CODE, who do everything the can to make the game enjoyable for new players and encourage them to stay in the game. Big smile


You love run away inflation?


Which, remember, only the already rich can really gain from.

Yeah, he wants to ruin the lives of new players.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2014-11-04 01:04:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Can anyone else figure out why Veers so relentlessly wants to grief new players by savaging their comparative income?


I know...it's crazy....he wants to make them able to generate income in highsec without blowing up as much....there is nothing more likely to drive them into bankruptcy and out of the game. I guess he is just one of those Goon alts who wants to squash any potential competition. Lucky we have others, like CODE, who do everything the can to make the game enjoyable for new players and encourage them to stay in the game. Big smile


You love run away inflation?


Which, remember, only the already rich can really gain from.

Yeah, he wants to ruin the lives of new players.


Maybe I should support Veer's madness and then just start relisting in Jita.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2014-11-04 01:10:23 UTC
Imagine those poor newbies mining for months on end in their ventures to earn their first Retriever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#168 - 2014-11-04 01:11:48 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Imagine those poor newbies mining for months on end in their ventures to earn their first Retriever.


If you think about purchasing power now, compared to five years ago, that's not too extreme of a supposition.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2014-11-04 01:18:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Imagine those poor newbies mining for months on end in their ventures to earn their first Retriever.

If you think about purchasing power now, compared to five years ago, that's not too extreme of a supposition.

It makes buying a PLEX for sale pretty much mandatory, which means more money for CCP...

CCP has no sense of humour.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#170 - 2014-11-04 01:22:40 UTC
Ran my first ever maze back in 06/07? with 3 other relative newbies. We got enough to each buy a 60 day GTC.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2014-11-04 01:24:46 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Imagine those poor newbies mining for months on end in their ventures to earn their first Retriever.

If you think about purchasing power now, compared to five years ago, that's not too extreme of a supposition.

It makes buying a PLEX for sale pretty much mandatory, which means more money for CCP...


So subscription plus mandatory plex. I see that being a great selling point to new players.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2014-11-04 01:27:34 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
So subscription plus mandatory plex. I see that being a great selling point to new players.

NPE~

CCP has no sense of humour.
Steve Wingyip
Doomheim
#173 - 2014-11-04 01:30:24 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


And don't be carrying enough cargo to be worth ganking.


Not sure the likes of CODE, Bat Country, Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished care if there is value or not.


Accept that you are going to get ganked. Every ship in this game is made to be destroyed. The idea is to minimise your losses :)

The stars are like the trees in the forest, alive and breathing. And they're watching over me.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#174 - 2014-11-04 01:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Except that nullsec is a LOT LESS RISKY than highsec, and yet nullsec missions pay far more, as does nullsec mining, not to mention anomalies. A risk/reward based system would involve massive nerfs to blue donut nullsec space.
Who is responsible for nullsec safety?
That would be the people who live there, they actively make it safe, either via diplomacy, or warfare.

Gankers think highsec should contain risk, they've done something about it ingame.
You think highsec should contain less risk, what are YOU going to do about it ingame?

Nothing is the answer, you refuse to do something ingame about it, you want somebody else to do it for you.

You fail at the sandbox

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#175 - 2014-11-04 01:53:19 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

You fail at the sandbox.


For starters.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#176 - 2014-11-04 01:59:36 UTC
Because runaway INFLATION is a major problem in highsec these days - not runaway DEFLATION.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#177 - 2014-11-04 02:00:48 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Except that nullsec is a LOT LESS RISKY than highsec, and yet nullsec missions pay far more, as does nullsec mining, not to mention anomalies. A risk/reward based system would involve massive nerfs to blue donut nullsec space.
Who is responsible for nullsec safety?
That would be the people who live there, they actively make it safe, either via diplomacy, or warfare.

Gankers think highsec should contain risk, they've done something about it ingame.
You think highsec should contain less risk, what are YOU going to do about it ingame?

Nothing is the answer, you refuse to do something ingame about it, you want somebody else to do it for you.

You fail at the sandbox


You can't control territory in highsec like you can in null. There is no effective solution to get rid of the gankers. I can't bubble all the gates and deny them docking rights in the stations. Highsec isn't designed to let players enforce the law, it's designed to let police enforce the law.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#178 - 2014-11-04 02:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

You fail at the sandbox.


For starters.
I had him blocked for a couple of days, but his posting is like a car crash, you know you shouldn't look, but you do anyway.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#179 - 2014-11-04 02:07:00 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Because runaway INFLATION is a major problem in highsec these days - not runaway DEFLATION.


Your sarcasm aside, this sentence is entirely correct.

Inflation is the major problem facing the game today, if you really want to get down to it. It means more grinding before fun can be had, first and foremost.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#180 - 2014-11-04 02:09:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

There is no effective solution to get rid of the gankers.


Oh, there are. But since they intrinsically involve not being a chickenshit, you can't actually do any of them.




Quote:
I can't bubble all the gates and deny them docking rights in the stations.


To anyone observing, note how none of these are actually fighting for what he wants, just pushing a button for safety. That's what he wants, he wants a one stop guarantee that PvP won't happen.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.