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New dev blog: Important Information Regarding the Neural Remap Gift

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Sylvia Cohiba
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-12-14 15:52:26 UTC
I am not applauding CCP for fancy new ships and tweaked gameplay mechanisms (this is its job) but my expectations are fulfilled (as a customer) by details like that; quick response and excellent communication. This is my "new CCP". Well done guys.
CCP Pleognost
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2011-12-14 15:53:01 UTC
Zedia Zhane wrote:
Do the bonus remaps ever expire?

If another bonus remap becomes available next Xmas, and I still haven't used mine from this year, can I have 2 of them at the same time? (I anticipate only needing one remap in the next year.)

When I have both a bonus and a regular remap, I assume I'll be able to choose which to use, and whether or not I want to reset my timer. Is that correct?

If I have a character with 2 regular remaps, and acquire a bonus remap, is it possible to choose to use a regular remap and reset my timer immediately? Or would I have to use the second regular remap before the timer is reset? Obviously there are some situations in which it would be advantageous to reset the timer early. But it might be a simpler implementation to convert extra regular remaps into bonus remaps so that each character can have a maximum of one regular remap at a time.


Bonus remaps never expire. After the code update, there will be two ways to remap:

* You will be able to remap normally. This option is only available for use when a year has elapsed from your last "normal remap".

* You will be able to instantly remap by using a "bonus remap" - these are the same as the remaps that newbies receive when they create their characters. When switching to the new system, you will keep any bonus remaps you had previously, and these will never expire.

When remapping, the system will first see if you can remap normally (on the annual timer). If you can, it will set your remapping timer and permit you to remap. That timer will then begin ticking down, and, one year later, you will be able to remap normally again.

If your timer is ticking, then the system requires you to use a bonus remap in order to remap your attributes. If you do not have any, you have to wait.

If you elect to use a bonus remap, your timer will not be affected.

Let's say that you have no bonus remaps at all - you've used up your newbie bonus remaps and haven't received any since. If you remapped normally on the 1st of December, 2011, you will then have to wait until the 1st of December, 2012 in order to remap again normally.

If you take the neural remapping Christmas gift, then you can use that bonus remap to remap at any time between when you receive the gift and the 1st of December, 2012. If you do so, then you will still be able to remap your attributes normally on the 1st of December, 2012. If you decide to wait until past the 1st of December, 2012 - let's say to the 2nd of December, 2012, then you will remap normally and not use your bonus remap.
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-12-14 15:54:51 UTC
sweet, nice work and thanks :)
Neo Agricola
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-12-14 15:56:16 UTC
CCP Pleognost wrote:
Zedia Zhane wrote:
Do the bonus remaps ever expire?

If another bonus remap becomes available next Xmas, and I still haven't used mine from this year, can I have 2 of them at the same time? (I anticipate only needing one remap in the next year.)

When I have both a bonus and a regular remap, I assume I'll be able to choose which to use, and whether or not I want to reset my timer. Is that correct?

If I have a character with 2 regular remaps, and acquire a bonus remap, is it possible to choose to use a regular remap and reset my timer immediately? Or would I have to use the second regular remap before the timer is reset? Obviously there are some situations in which it would be advantageous to reset the timer early. But it might be a simpler implementation to convert extra regular remaps into bonus remaps so that each character can have a maximum of one regular remap at a time.


Bonus remaps never expire. After the code update, there will be two ways to remap:

* You will be able to remap normally. This option is only available for use when a year has elapsed from your last "normal remap".

* You will be able to instantly remap by using a "bonus remap" - these are the same as the remaps that newbies receive when they create their characters. When switching to the new system, you will keep any bonus remaps you had previously, and these will never expire.

When remapping, the system will first see if you can remap normally (on the annual timer). If you can, it will set your remapping timer and permit you to remap. That timer will then begin ticking down, and, one year later, you will be able to remap normally again.

If your timer is ticking, then the system requires you to use a bonus remap in order to remap your attributes. If you do not have any, you have to wait.

If you elect to use a bonus remap, your timer will not be affected.

Let's say that you have no bonus remaps at all - you've used up your newbie bonus remaps and haven't received any since. If you remapped normally on the 1st of December, 2011, you will then have to wait until the 1st of December, 2012 in order to remap again normally.

If you take the neural remapping Christmas gift, then you can use that bonus remap to remap at any time between when you receive the gift and the 1st of December, 2012. If you do so, then you will still be able to remap your attributes normally on the 1st of December, 2012. If you decide to wait until past the 1st of December, 2012 - let's say to the 2nd of December, 2012, then you will remap normally and not use your bonus remap.



Great. Thank you very much.

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Besbin
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#25 - 2011-12-14 15:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Besbin
CCP Pleognost wrote:

At the moment, you cannot see your cooldown timer if you have any bonus remaps remaining.

Once the code update goes live, the cooldown timer will be visible in the character sheet, along with the number of bonus remaps remaining. The code update will go out prior to the gift being issued.


First off: Very very very cool!

Secondly: Questions arise...

Edit: ...which were instantly answered by the excessively handsome CCP Pleognost and thus removed Big smile

/Besbin
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#26 - 2011-12-14 16:00:28 UTC
EXCELLENT!

I really feel CCP heard the community, considered many options, and then chose the one which made the most sense!

AG
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Membaris Grim
hirr
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2011-12-14 16:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Membaris Grim
Great job CCP.

I feared that my timers will be reseted ... now i can look forward to receiving my xmas gift ;)
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-12-14 16:05:47 UTC
WOO! I can feel safe using remaps now. Big smile
Danibunkins
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-12-14 16:06:08 UTC
Thank you for the great response time and the clarifications, guys!

It is much appreciated and I hope you all have a great holiday!
Eco 2
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-12-14 16:08:35 UTC
I choose my gift in the time the remap was removed. So i dont chose the remap. I dont even know that a remap was avarible before.

Atm I cant change the gift. I Hope the selection will be resetted, so its not so unfair if you pick your gift in the wrong time Sad
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#31 - 2011-12-14 16:08:41 UTC
CCP Pleognost wrote:
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Most excellent news and thanks for providing us with information in this timely way.

But most esteemed CCP Employee.

Your face dude!

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cBOLTSON
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-12-14 16:09:10 UTC
I just wanted to say THANKYOU!!

The feedback over this issue has been very appreciated by us all. Also the quick turnaround and 'fix' to all of this is great.

This is the CCP we want and love.

The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#33 - 2011-12-14 16:10:45 UTC
Nice CCP, greatly appreciated !

Happy christmas to you all Big smile
Slighet
Siempre Muerto
#34 - 2011-12-14 16:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Slighet
One case I'm not sure is covered by explanations so far.

Say I have a bonus remap available, and my timer runs out tomorrow. After the time runs out, I have two remaps available yes? One timer based (using it will restart the timer), and one bonus. Presumably the first used in that instance will be the timer based one, leaving the bonus one untouched when used, but restarting the timer.

Perhaps clearer: The timer running out when you have a bonus remap available leads to you having two remaps available yes?
CCP Ronin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#35 - 2011-12-14 16:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Ronin
Slighet wrote:
One case I'm not sure is covered by explanations so far.

Say I have a bonus remap available, and my timer runs out tomorrow. After the time runs out, I have two remaps available yes? One timer based (using it will restart the timer), and one bonus. Presumably the first used in that instance will be the timer based one, leaving the bonus one untouched when used, but restarting the timer.

Perhaps clearer: The timer running out when you have a bonus remap available leads to you having two remaps available yes?


Yes, you will use the timer-based remap first. The bonus remap will still be available for you to use anytime after you use the timer-based remap.

CCP Ronin Senior Programmer -- Internationalization
CCP Pleognost
C C P
C C P Alliance
#36 - 2011-12-14 16:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Pleognost
Slighet wrote:
One case I'm not sure is covered by explanations so far.

Say I have a bonus remap available, and my timer runs out tomorrow. After the time runs out, I have two remaps available yes? One timer based (using it will restart the timer), and one bonus. Presumably the first used in that instance will be the timer based one, leaving the bonus one untouched when used, but restarting the timer.

Perhaps clearer: The timer running out when you have a bonus remap available leads to you having two remaps available yes?


That's correct.

Let's take your example - your timer runs out tomorrow and you have 1 bonus remap available. Under the new system, you will be able to do the following:

Remap right now - This will use up your bonus remap, but will not change your timer. Tomorrow, your timer will still expire and you will be able to remap again. If you remap again tomorrow, then your timer will be set and you will have to wait another year.

Remap tomorrow or later - This will set your remap timer, but will not use your bonus remap. You can then use your bonus remap as described in the first case, or continue saving it. Regardless of what you do, your remap timer will expire a year later. Smile
Maxwell Albritten
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-12-14 16:19:02 UTC
I <3 the new CCP. I'm loving that they are now listening to comments and responding quickly. Sweet jesus I'm feeling the love all over my body right now. All over my body right now
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#38 - 2011-12-14 16:27:56 UTC
Well done, CCP folks - on the quick fix and, more importantly, the fine communications with the player base.

Keep it up, and I'm sure y'all will be hearing a lot of "let me buy you that drink, CCP xxxxx" at FanFest next year. ;)

Happy Holidays!
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#39 - 2011-12-14 16:29:14 UTC
Damn fine work, CCP.
Clolo
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-12-14 16:30:26 UTC
CCP Pleognost I have a few questions:

1. Will the timer on a "normal" remap(1 year) continue to go if you reach your 1 year time and get a remap? For instance if my EVEMon plan has me skilling up for 2 years before I remap, will after that time I have 2 remaps or just 1?

2. This character has 1 remap available which was given from CCP because of something that went wrong (extended downtime maybe?). If I choose the free remap as my gift, I should have 2 bonus remaps on this character, will my 1 year timer start ticking?

3. Similar to number 2, in the past how do I know which remap got used? I remapped this character ~ a year ago but I'm not sure if I used my normal yearly remap or my bonus remap from CCP. Does this mean that once the new code goes into effect I have to wait for a year after using all my remaps? Since previously there wasn't a distinction between normal and bonus remaps, how will you classify existing remaps on peoples accounts?

Thanks for answering a lot of the questions I had in the previous posts.