Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is an idea that is more along the lines of what I am saying, there should be different classes of these things or something needs to be done to niche-ify them.

Welcome the land of, "Trolling without even reading the thread". I have explained many times before that neuts are a diverse and scaled weapon, that has specific benefits and consequences that can be used against all ship classes. Neuts are fine, if I died to neuts I'd say "next time I'll bring a cap booster", with webs my choices are, "next time, I'll fit a HG Snake set with Loki links and a deadspace AB."

That is untrue, medium guns, can hit targets can hit targets that are unwebbed; a cruiser carrying a web, is not specifically fitted to deal with a frigate, you literally web them down and in most cases you need to simply travel so that your alignment is similar to theirs. Frigate webs should have marginal effects on larger ships classes, and larger webs should have marginal effects on frigate classes,

Nerffing webs would seriously make brawling BS's useless, and would make them way too vulnerable to small ships that cost almost nothing.

We have to at least give BS's a chance against small ships. Webs make that possible. Unless we are going to give them a few extra high-slots that are somehow restricted to small guns I don't see a way to remove Webs.

Many ships like the Mega would become not worth flying.

I would say if anything, webs were nerfed too much in the last pass on them. So to suggest they need nerfing more, simply smacks of ignorance of current mechanics and their uses.

Redesigning webs so that there are different scales for them is not nerfing them. Garmurs and Succubi are not made any more immortal then they are today. Considering that the primary counter for killing Garmurs and Succubi is 2-3 fast frigates with scram//web and that this thread actually suggest scaling webs to different sizes, the effects on the Garmur and Succubi remains unchanged and the Caracal Navy Issue still owns all frigates. The ships that hard counter afs today do not do so solely on the basis of webs, they do it on the basis of drones and missiles. Which counter the ship class more evenly being that they are scaled. I have not addressed your arguement because you are making sweeping statements that the thread has not suggested. You read the title, not the suggestion, and then started throwing counter arguments out. Kudos, but assault frigates online is not going to happen, And your Enyo will continue to lose to ships like the Vengeance, Caracal, Scythe Fleet Issue, Stabber Fleet Issue, Vexor, and Ishtar.

And your hypothetical quote doesn't even make sense as an allegory.

I have already suggested that the tracking of these things be increased to compensate for the lack, but still. Using neuts is a more balanced and well thought out counter than webs, which are diversity defeating.

you realize how much tracking would have to be increased to counter a single web? It would make every turret based ship op

That has been made evident to me by the fact that so many have come to troll on the post. I wasn't suggesting that they be removed, but currently the best strategy (realistically) for defending you battleship against frigates is to bring frigates and destroyers to support it. Instead people take the option of simply not bringing those ships to help defend your fleet, and instead bring MORE large ships that are simply fitted with webs that hard counter and entire ship class, and all for 24 cpu.

It is a thing that is mathematical not skill based thing that is hampered by bad game mechanics, and balance can be found.