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Advice on avoiding the Suicide gank

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2014-11-03 02:38:31 UTC
Keep in mind, nothing can make you 100% gank proof. Just truce chances of a successful one.

If a person (or people) really want to ruin your day there's not much you can do to stop them entirely.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#22 - 2014-11-03 03:18:56 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Would appreciate some advice on how to avoid this from happening. cheers



Play something else?


Just saying.

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Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#23 - 2014-11-03 04:45:25 UTC
Get out of highsec.


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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2014-11-03 06:45:10 UTC
I only see an Ibis on your losses.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-11-03 07:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Regarding hauling:

EDIT: Tiny stuff (200 m3 or so) --> Covops

Small stuff (10,000 m3 or so) --> Blockade runner

Medium stuff (60,000 m3 or so) --> Deep Space Transport, super stabbed for lowsec, super tanked for highsec

Big stuff --> In Highsec, Red Frog. In lowsec, Jump Freighter. For the highsec jumps of the JF, use bulkeads and always stay in 0.8 and above. If I'm not mistaken, it's extremely difficult to suicide gank a triple bulkhead JF in 0.8 and above. Plus, as suggested, have an emergency cyno ready to jump out if you're bumped but not pointed.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#26 - 2014-11-03 07:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Just outsource hauling
That's the only sensible post I've ever seen from you.

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Mutual Fund of the Something
#27 - 2014-11-03 08:06:55 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Get out of highsec.

I was going to say there's no such thing as suicide ganking outside of highsec, but then I remembered how we once killed an enemy Naglfar minutes before downtime in ABCs knowing their frigate fleet was going to warp in on us and tear us to shreds.
Cynadore
3 R Corporation
#28 - 2014-11-03 08:31:24 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Would appreciate some advice on how to avoid this from happening. cheers


Don't undock. Play something else?
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2014-11-03 08:57:26 UTC
If you have the skills to survive a suicide gank, you might as well not be playing in high-sec.

Make friends. Get out of your comfort zone. Go somewhere else where everyone works together to keep each other (relatively) safe.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

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Valkin Mordirc
#30 - 2014-11-03 09:04:05 UTC
My Advice?

Don't autopilot, if you happen to be autopiloting, you might as well kiss your ship good bye. Because you have just told everyone around you, "Hey I'm not at my keyboard, etc etc."

Tank your ship, For the most part Mining Barges get ganked because they have gone for the max yield and forgone any type of tank, which makes them easy targets.

Don't try to moving stuff more expensive than your hull. EI: A bunch of T2 mods in an Itron.

Pay attention. Know your where your going and if your going through any ganking hotspots, Like Nairja and Udema.

If you have a scout use it,

Use the Cloak MWD trick.

Pay attention to local.

If you need to move a BUNCH of a stuff, like Ships and ships worth, Contract RedFrog.

If all else fails you can always move to Solitude and slowly go insane, seems like most people there are batshit crazy anyhow.
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Miromme Echerie
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-11-03 10:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Miromme Echerie
Be a worse target than someone else.
If you can see an obvious scam contract (e.g. 100m reward, 5bn collateral, goes through Uedama), wait for someone to pick it up.. And then go along. If you're not carrying a lot of stuff, they're not going to want to risk waiting out the 15m timer and losing that 5bn contract.
Or you can have your alt scan freighters (and orcas) going through the chokepoint for a better target and go in after that one.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#32 - 2014-11-03 11:01:24 UTC
- Missions: Officer and blue fittings are not suitable for missions. They may be appropriate in fleet based stuff like Incursions but even there they aren't needed. A Blue fit Golem is gank bait and garbage you won't replace when you lose it, you will figure out why when you lose it.

- Hauling: Pay attention to what you are hauling, know that a blockade runner can't be scanned, know that people flapping about how they blow up all Blockade runners because stuff, are full of it. If you need to haul in a Freighter, have a web alt and most important, don't Auto pilot.

- Mining: Plag and Veld are the ore that make money right now. Mining them in .8 or .5 will be just as boring and will make the same amount of ISK. One has a 20 second Concord response, one has a 7 second Concord response. You have amplified the dps output of a gank squad by 300% just by choosing to mine in what is essentially, garbage space. Tank is not an option, even in .8 sec. If the tank forces them to find 40 Destroyers or 10 Tier 3 BC's to destroy you they will give up. Gankers are lazy that way. If they wanted to work for their ISK they would be mining beside you or running a mission.

Last but not least, if you find yourself being pestered by people all too often, leave the game drop your sub and play something else. EVE the game you would like it to be won't be EVE the game we get stuck with because someone else is in a mood. That needs to be relayed in the most influential way possible when required and money talks.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2014-11-03 11:29:57 UTC
The only thing you need against suicide gankers is to not be worth ganking to begin with. It's not really hard.

For mining use skiffs with a damage control and a full shield tank on mid slots and you will get ignored for easier targets. Doesn't really matter if you're AFK at this point. For haulers all you need to do is either keep your cargo low enough and the hauler tanked enough to survive a few tornados, or use a blockade runner with bookmarks. If you are carrying high value low volume cargo just use an instawarp interceptor with instadocks/undocks and you are virtually uncatchable in highsec (brick tanked 400k+ ehp T3 covert cruisers are also an option). If you have large amounts of cargo and no safe transportation just make public contracts with a sufficient collateral and let someone else take the risk for you. Don't autopilot because it's a pointless feature.

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Dominique Vasilkovsky
#34 - 2014-11-03 11:30:44 UTC
People never try to suicide gank me, I feel left out. Cry
Miromme Echerie
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-11-03 11:34:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
- Missions: Blue fittings are not suitable for missions. A Blue fit Golem is gank bait.
I don't necessarily agree with this. You can (on some things) can a decent increase in tank for a pretty small price increase.

- Hauling: Know that people flapping about how they blow up all Blockade runners because stuff, are full of it.
Not all of them. If you have the ISK and you're bored af, you might as well kill a few haulers, and since you're doing it for the lols, no reason not to attack BRs.

- Mining: Plag and Veld are the ore that make money right now.
I agree with Plag (specifically Rich plag because +10%) but Veldspar? I suppose it's alright isk wise, but (not including high-yield versions), omber is the only thing worse than Veldspar in highsec at Jita prices.

- Mining: Gankers are lazy that way. If they wanted to work for their ISK they would be mining beside you.
Did you put a joke in here? You can't really count mining as "work".

- Final points: Last but not least, if you find yourself being pestered by people all too often, leave the game drop your sub and play something else. EVE the game you would like it to be won't be EVE the game we get stuck with because someone else is in a mood. That needs to be relayed in the most influential way possible when required and money talks.

Right. So, you want to make highsec safe. And ruin other peoples gameplay? Some people actually like suicide ganking and ruining peoples days. And no, they don't have to be sick twisted 'insert word of choice' pedophiles that fap to kiddy porn all day to enjor being the villain. They can't do it in real life, and maybe they've always dreamed of playing the villain and ruining some peoples days, and eve allows them to do that. (I take this argument seriously because it's a stupid one. Eve is a sandbox. If you want a themepark, there are other games that allow you to mine alone.)

TL;DR
Hauling - People will, if they have the ISK to burn and are bored.
Mining1(oreprices) - Omber is the only highsec ore worse than Veldspar.
Mining2(ganking) - Mining isn't work.
Final points - It's a sandbox, taking away highsec suicide ganking is ruining what some people like to do.

*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-11-03 12:36:16 UTC
Just assume everyone not blue is red.

Easy as that.

Ps: interceptors are the best thing imaginable for low volume high value cargo. If I can rip though camps for fun in null, I can damned sure make it through high sec Smile
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#37 - 2014-11-03 12:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
- use neutral incognito hauling alts, some bored gankers will gank you for tears/giggles and simply because of your alliance tag
- dont autopilot
- dont haul too much value
- use transport ships (hello, 55.000m³ fleet hangar) whenever possible and utilize cloak-mwd trick to move unseen
- a dedicated webbing alt in dualweb daredevil in 0.5 systems where you pass is useful too as its where most ganks happen, a webbing escort is even better, if you can afford that (multiboxing)
- avoid hauling stuff during prime times or on weekends, pre-DT or short post-DT are optimal times
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-11-03 12:52:32 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Ps: interceptors are the best thing imaginable for low volume high value cargo. If I can rip though camps for fun in null, I can damned sure make it through high sec Smile
Just make sure you have insta-dock bookmarks at trade hub stations. Or else, if you land 2km from the docking range, a good instalocker can ruin your day.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#39 - 2014-11-03 13:41:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players


Citation needed.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#40 - 2014-11-03 13:49:23 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Besides, since the efforts CODE are actually in favour of botters and against individual players
Citation needed.
It's fairly simple, look at their actions.

One guy in a badly fit barge shrieking at the top of his lungs and providing tears - Clearly not a bot - Gets ganked.

A fleet of procurers controlled by bots or isboxer mining all day long providing no tears - no ganking.

The end result is that bots and mass multiboxers don't have to worry about a fair chunk their competition. If they were really against botters, they'd do all they can to disrupt bot activity and support the individuals mining. They don't, so either their goals are not as stated, or they are the most incompetent group in the game, managing to do the exact opposite of their goals.

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