EVE General Discussion

can't, ccp is removing awoxing.

How is it afk if someone is at the keyboard waiting to hit fleet warp.

we're talking about becoming rich... suicide ganking ain't cheap.

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it's not just that, the mineral values in all blueprints are wrong which makes mining unprofitable.

Mineral values that are required by blueprints need to be altered to cater for todays game. It's crazy that blueprints need huge amounts of trit and very little zyd and mega, thats what is wrong with mining.

Thats why mining trit in a 1.0 system will allways pay more than mega in a -1.0 system.

If the values of zyd and mega required by blueprints were increased by a factor of 10 or more, then mining in 0.0 would become worthwhile, and give people plenty to fight over.

Other than the small fact it doesn't most of the time. Right now is one of the first times that Ark is worth less than Veld (Other ores have priced higher for a bit, but not Veld). And that you can mine Trit in a -1.0 system also with larger rocks, more rocks, AND better 5% & 10% ores.
Anything you can mine in High or Low sec exists in Null also. Null miners are just so stuck in their ways they can't even think of doing anything but what the 5 year old guides say (Or their bots are too old and need updating).
Null mining is always more profitable than High sec if you actually do it right.

1) Don't bring in other parts of the industrial chain to justify/evaluate the profitability of mining, you can always buy ore and do only the second part which means those processes have to be considered seperate

2) The entire problem can be explained in one single word: Scalability

The problem with mining is that it is so amazingly simpel and passive that you can, esp given those handy and regrettably allowed tools like ISBoxer, just add more and more miners to your fleet with nearly proportional scaling. In one world you need 50 miners with 1 ship to satisfy the supply needs for x, in this world you can just have 1 miner with 50 ships - less hassle organizing, way less vulnurable to ganks in HS (loosing a ship as a single miner hurts/is a non issue in mboxing - allowing for thin tanked setups) etc.

Or the other way around, if you can make a lot of money single boxing, someone else will get more and more chars until he reaches financial equilibrium mboxing and resets the system back to square one.

this wont happen as afk ratting isnt as easy as afk mining.
Effort = Reward is somewhat valid in this formula.

Didn't reprocessing already get a boot to the nuts in the last few months?

I think passive mining should be less profitable than it is now, while hands-on, competetive mining should be of greater reward, while the medium of somewhat interactive mining stays around the same.

But that would require new mining mechanics.