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High sec ganking 11-3-2014

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-11-03 08:53:06 UTC
vegetuh wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
vegetuh wrote:


It is a fact that if every player mined and hauled with perfect fits and strategy there would be 0 targets to gank. The problem you and others have is not having figured out those fits and strategies.


Again they had nothing to worry about, no risk thats why they killed me.
You got ganked. You have two options:

A) take action to avoid getting ganked

B) suggest that CCP take action to nerf ganking


Why, for god's sake, did you choose option B), when option A) is so damn easy?




I'v already explained this like 10 times, I'm not saying remove it. It should be possible to gank in high sec, but it should not be acceptible for a person to go around killing people in high sec all day every day with no consequence. Like this person,

https://zkillboard.com/character/94401447/


The only consequence is he wastes 10 mil, so he can go around killing all day randomly In hopes he can wipe out anothers person's hard work to get rich. Killing in null sec, low sec and high sec if you are precise should be acceptable. But going around killing all day with disregard for other players cause your not risking anything to me isn't acceptable.
Why?

Anyone that takes a few basic steps to protect him/herself will NOT get killed.

Why do you think it's unacceptable that untanked, afk ships get ganked? It's like lvl 4 missions: if you try to do them afk and in a frigate, you'll get killed. By NPCs instead of players, but the principle is the same: if you don't pay attention and use the correct ship/fit for the job, you will probably get killed. What's wrong with that?

Also, why do you care about the gankers' cost, risk, etc. since it's so easy to avoid them? If you think ganking is such a risk-free ISK-making activity, why don't you try it yourself?


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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2014-11-03 09:02:51 UTC
vegetuh wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
vegetuh wrote:




Again they had nothing to worry about, no risk thats why they killed me.


Again I ask you, do you even know what punishments are given out for ganking or the risks involved?



What a kill right, what a joke like I already said they just had a friend activate before ganking someone else so when concord killed them it took away the kill right. And a lower security status, ouch sure he feels that one.


They lose their ship
They get a kill right on them
Drop in sec status
Past a point, they are open to attack from everyone
Past a point faction police attack
15 minutes timer where concord will blow them up if the enter space in any ship
50% chance the loot will not drop per item
Their ship is ironically profitable to gank

To name but a few. It is the single most punished activity in the game.
vegetuh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-11-03 09:05:18 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
vegetuh wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
vegetuh wrote:


It is a fact that if every player mined and hauled with perfect fits and strategy there would be 0 targets to gank. The problem you and others have is not having figured out those fits and strategies.


Again they had nothing to worry about, no risk thats why they killed me.
You got ganked. You have two options:

A) take action to avoid getting ganked

B) suggest that CCP take action to nerf ganking


Why, for god's sake, did you choose option B), when option A) is so damn easy?




I'v already explained this like 10 times, I'm not saying remove it. It should be possible to gank in high sec, but it should not be acceptible for a person to go around killing people in high sec all day every day with no consequence. Like this person,

https://zkillboard.com/character/94401447/


The only consequence is he wastes 10 mil, so he can go around killing all day randomly In hopes he can wipe out anothers person's hard work to get rich. Killing in null sec, low sec and high sec if you are precise should be acceptable. But going around killing all day with disregard for other players cause your not risking anything to me isn't acceptable.
Why?

Anyone that takes a few basic steps to protect him/herself will NOT get killed.

Why do you think it's unacceptable that untanked, afk ships get ganked? It's like lvl 4 missions: if you try to do them afk and in a frigate, you'll get killed. By NPCs instead of players, but the principle is the same: if you don't pay attention and use the correct ship/fit for the job, you will probably get killed. What's wrong with that?

Also, why do you care about the gankers' cost, risk, etc. since it's so easy to avoid them? If you think ganking is such a risk-free ISK-making activity, why don't you try it yourself?






I care because Im the one loosing the isk, I loose 200 mil he looses 10 mil with nothing to worry about.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/42172810/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/42170901/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/42003616/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/39974961/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/39974576/


Funny how alot of you are saying just add tank, In a way your agreeing with me that they shouldnt be so easy if your prepared. But those just show you you cant do anything to prepare. There's nothing you can do to stop it, and theres nothing you can do to get them back. And they have free rain all day. Its actually very irritating that a majority of you don't care that I and those players lost alot of time and isk. And they are just random killings with no consequence.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-11-03 09:07:05 UTC
vegetuh wrote:
I'm closing my accounts for good, High sec ganking Is way to out of control. Iv seen capital ships fall In high sec, I just lost a mining ship to 3 ships. It's BS, I'm not saying it shouldn't be impossible In high sec. But It should be harder, with much higher consequences then a 15 minute time out. And I know why CCP does little to nothing about it's because CCP wants people to loose isk, it keeps people buying PLEX's and keep the market flowing. But this @#$t is unreasonable, Iv seen a gang of 3 people kill 4 people an hour for 3 hours in high sec. As a miner loosing a tech 2 is ALOT of hours down the tube making isk to buy the ship, sh#$ happens i know that. But a group like that and the only worry they have a 15 minute time out @#$ing please. Iv been playing for 4 years and have 2 accounts, but seems recently high sec ganking really picked up. The pirate has little to no risk attacking someone who is just trying to move high value items they worked hours on in to get or make. With CCP saying your sol, yea people that lost their butt off are SOL because you designed the system. I can feel the trolls coming out from under neath their rocks ready to post, and I'm sure people that high sec gank are ready to respond to because they are the ones getting everything from people that play hard to actually make isk in the game while getting crapped on by CCP. It would understand if people that died by pirates were in low sec or null sec they know the risk. CCP favors pirates, the thought of making isk easy with low risk makes it more interesting right..


It's already been said - but considering Christmas is coming - can I haz ur stuffs?

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vegetuh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-11-03 09:10:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
vegetuh wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
vegetuh wrote:




Again they had nothing to worry about, no risk thats why they killed me.


Again I ask you, do you even know what punishments are given out for ganking or the risks involved?



What a kill right, what a joke like I already said they just had a friend activate before ganking someone else so when concord killed them it took away the kill right. And a lower security status, ouch sure he feels that one.


They lose their ship
They get a kill right on them
Drop in sec status
Past a point, they are open to attack from everyone
Past a point faction police attack
15 minutes timer where concord will blow them up if the enter space in any ship
50% chance the loot will not drop per item
Their ship is ironically profitable to gank

To name but a few. It is the single most punished activity in the game.




Really I already explained most of this, AGAIN. They loose 10 mil I loose 200 mil, They have to dock for 15 minutes ouch, drop in sec status BIG ouch. And the kill right like I said they have a friend activate it before ganking someone else and when concord kills them the kill right is removed. 10 mil loss and wasting 15 minutes, but to those they do it to daily loose 200 mil, and who knows how many hours of game play that took to make that isk.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#46 - 2014-11-03 09:13:27 UTC
Meh, truth is you can mine to your heart's content if you do it in right way. Sh!tfit mack is not the right way for sure.

And baltec1, let me shed a tear for those poor gankers :)

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#47 - 2014-11-03 09:14:00 UTC
Meh, truth is you can mine to your heart's content if you do it in right way. Sh!tfit mack is not the right way for sure.

And baltec1, let me shed a tear for those poor gankers :)

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#48 - 2014-11-03 09:18:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
vegetuh wrote:
Funny how alot of you are saying just add tank
For a tank to be effective it has to be turned on, as well as actually fit for purpose; one of the kills you linked was running a dual tank for gods sake.

lol at the domination shield module fit, it's possible to get 3x the EHP he had without losing much yield and without the shiny stuff.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#49 - 2014-11-03 09:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
This is going to be yet another, care-bear versus Eve is tough innit? thread

Should be locked for lack of content and rehashing old tired threads.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#50 - 2014-11-03 09:22:29 UTC
GD would die if only new fresh topics would be posted :)

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2014-11-03 09:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
vegetuh wrote:


Really I already explained most of this, AGAIN. They loose 10 mil I loose 200 mil,


Balance is not based upon isk cost of a ship.


vegetuh wrote:

They have to dock for 15 minutes ouch, drop in sec status BIG ouch. And the kill right like I said they have a friend activate it before ganking someone else and when concord kills them the kill right is removed. 10 mil loss and wasting 15 minutes, but to those they do it to daily loose 200 mil, and who knows how many hours of game play that took to make that isk.


Way to ignore almost everything I posted.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#52 - 2014-11-03 09:23:47 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
This is going to be yet another, care-bear versus Eve is tough innit? thread

Should be locked for lack of content and rehashing old tired threads.
Maybe..

But people do have a point, his Mack was fitted badly with empty midslots, and he was afk.

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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#53 - 2014-11-03 09:24:01 UTC
vegetuh wrote:
I'm closing my accounts for good, High sec ganking Is way to out of control. Iv seen capital ships fall In high sec, I just lost a mining ship to 3 ships. It's BS, I'm not saying it shouldn't be impossible In high sec. But It should be harder, with much higher consequences then a 15 minute time out. And I know why CCP does little to nothing about it's because CCP wants people to loose isk, it - snip- re ready to respond to because they are the ones getting everything from people that play hard to actually make isk in the game while getting crapped on by CCP. It would understand if people that died by pirates were in low sec or null sec they know the risk. CCP favors pirates, the thought of making isk easy with low risk makes it more interesting right..



How does making isk in highsec without very many credible threats make your gameplay any more credibly fair than being ganked? Why are you flying t2 mining hulls in high anyway? Did you know that mining in nullsec is safer?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#54 - 2014-11-03 09:24:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Double post derp...

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#55 - 2014-11-03 09:26:12 UTC
this thread is such isd bait.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#56 - 2014-11-03 09:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
this thread is such isd bait.
god dame it forums...get your **** together.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-11-03 09:28:27 UTC
vegetuh wrote:
There's nothing you can do to stop it

This is clearly false.


vegetuh wrote:
and theres nothing you can do to get them back.

This is mostly true. But, if you don't get killed in the first place (super easy), there's no need to 'get back' at anyone, is there?


So again I ask: why don't you just take action to avoid being ganked in the future, and solve your problem like the rest of us did? Are you unable to grasp basic ship fitting and basic awareness tactics?

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#58 - 2014-11-03 09:29:34 UTC
Seems like it's not only me who has forum derps this morning

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vegetuh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-11-03 09:29:36 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Double post derp...



I wasn't AFK, I tried to warp my pod out but was insta popped. My fit isn't the point of the post since I already proved that people with good tank die with as many ships hitting it.

I'v already shown I can take a loss, and know what the game is about. But AGAIN, the point of the post about gankers killing randomly all day with nothing to worry about. And Iv already shown there is no real consequence for high sec ganking and there should be.
ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#60 - 2014-11-03 09:48:48 UTC
I have removed the most vile personal attacks, but have decided to keep the thread locked as it is in essence a rant.

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