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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#1 - 2014-11-03 09:03:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaldi Tsukaya
Cosmic Jihadi is ganking new players.

While I wouldn't bother if someone incidentally killed a new player in the course of their game play, I think this pattern of selectively targeting newbs is rather disturbing.

zkillboard
<*snipped>

I sent him a mail and warned him. Guess we'll see if he continues...


tl;dr version:

After some debate and (stuff), I invited Cosmic Jihadi to the thread. I didn't agree with everything he did/said, but acknowledged his play style. He left and found a home with CODE., which seemed appropriate. The thread was derailed by (who else?) and Leto got the last word.

Thus ends my first C&P thread.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#2 - 2014-11-03 09:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Cosmic Jihadi is ganking new players.

While I wouldn't bother if someone incidentally killed a new player in the course of their game play, I think this pattern of selectively targeting newbs is rather disturbing.

zkillboard
<*snipped>

I sent him a mail and warned him. Guess we'll see if he continues...



edit: snipped the zkillboard link


None of those systems on that kill board are "rookie systems" where attacking new players in prohibited.

Why shouldn't a newbie ganker be able to go after newbie miners? Isn't conflict like this part of the game?

Do you expect a new player who wants a ganking career to start with Mackinaws and Hulks right away? Just like a mining career where you start out in a mining frigate, a ganker often starts with the small fish, like Ventures before going after the whales.

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Why Do They Gank?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-11-03 09:45:09 UTC
iv shot more nubies than that, its a great way to strike up a conversation, no really it is.

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The Conference Elite
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#4 - 2014-11-03 10:26:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Cosmic Jihadi is ganking new players.

While I wouldn't bother if someone incidentally killed a new player in the course of their game play, I think this pattern of selectively targeting newbs is rather disturbing.

zkillboard
<*snipped>

I sent him a mail and warned him. Guess we'll see if he continues...



edit: snipped the zkillboard link



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#5 - 2014-11-03 12:10:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Cosmic Jihadi is ganking new players.

While I wouldn't bother if someone incidentally killed a new player in the course of their game play, I think this pattern of selectively targeting newbs is rather disturbing.

zkillboard
<*snipped>

I sent him a mail and warned him. Guess we'll see if he continues...



edit: snipped the zkillboard link


What will you do if he doesn't stop?
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#6 - 2014-11-03 15:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
^ Excellent question.
You have warned him to stop his legitimate gameplay activities.

How do you intend to back that up?

Edit: Further investigation reveals that the ganker in question is himself a new player. This puts an additional spin on the conversation.

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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#7 - 2014-11-03 15:19:31 UTC
Received a response to my mail.
Unfortunately I cannot reproduce any of it, even in C&P, without violating the forum rule:

7. Discussion of real life religion and politics is prohibited.

Discussion of real life religion and politics is strictly prohibited on the EVE Online forums. Discussions of this nature often creates animosity between forum users due to real life political or military conflicts. CCP promotes the growth of a gaming community where equality is at the forefront. Nationalist, religious or political afiliations are not part of EVE Online, and should not be part of discussion on the EVE Online forums.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2014-11-03 15:27:36 UTC
That being the case , and given his name, I think it's fair to say he's doing role-play right (ish)

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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#9 - 2014-11-03 15:49:38 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
That being the case , and given his name, I think it's fair to say he's doing role-play right (ish)


I cannot even print what he said in local, either.
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#10 - 2014-11-03 15:54:01 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
^ Excellent question.
You have warned him to stop his questionable gameplay activities.

How do you intend to back that up?

Edit: Further investigation reveals that the ganker in question is himself a 38 day-old player. This puts an additional spin on the conversation.


Fixed that for you.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#11 - 2014-11-03 16:14:34 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
^ Excellent question.
You have warned him to stop his questionable gameplay activities.

How do you intend to back that up?

Edit: Further investigation reveals that the ganker in question is himself a 38 day-old player. This puts an additional spin on the conversation.


Fixed that for you.



I am confused. What is the maximum allowable difference in age between characters for them to engage in PvP?

Two of his five kills were older than him, one a 2012 character. Are those kills legit?

And, while we are at it, when does a new player stop being new? From your post I guess it is somewhere between 1 and 37 days, but it isn't quite clear to me when that transition takes place.

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Why Do They Gank?
Dwissi
Miners Delight Reborn
#12 - 2014-11-03 16:44:41 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
iv shot more nubies than that, its a great way to strike up a conversation, no really it is.


If they would just do as you do - unfortunately not many left with that style of educative conversation as in my early days of Eve

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2014-11-03 16:51:43 UTC
Dwissi wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
iv shot more nubies than that, its a great way to strike up a conversation, no really it is.


If they would just do as you do - unfortunately not many left with that style of educative conversation as in my early days of Eve

that's a pitty,
I do encourage them to carry it forward when they are sound about it.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2014-11-03 19:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Less than two months old and already nomming on his fellow pilots? I'd say he's doing it right.
Perhaps 'Killer Newbie' would have been a better title.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#15 - 2014-11-03 19:38:47 UTC
I think it is great when a new player creates such great content for his fellow new players.

Evil RatKid
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-03 20:20:53 UTC
I see him going places, good places. There is nothing wrong here. Everything is as it should be.

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#17 - 2014-11-03 22:00:23 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Received a response to my mail.
Unfortunately I cannot reproduce any of it, even in C&P, without violating the forum rule:

7. Discussion of real life religion and politics is prohibited.

Discussion of real life religion and politics is strictly prohibited on the EVE Online forums. Discussions of this nature often creates animosity between forum users due to real life political or military conflicts. CCP promotes the growth of a gaming community where equality is at the forefront. Nationalist, religious or political afiliations are not part of EVE Online, and should not be part of discussion on the EVE Online forums.

allah al gankbar?

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#18 - 2014-11-04 00:33:00 UTC
Meh, kinda lame to target new players. -1

Only redeeming part of this thread is that a CONCORD Approved Trader showed up...they should really have a certificate for that, and some kind of mandatory ethics course.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-11-04 02:50:08 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Received a response to my mail.
Unfortunately I cannot reproduce any of it, even in C&P, without violating the forum rule:

7. Discussion of real life religion and politics is prohibited.

Discussion of real life religion and politics is strictly prohibited on the EVE Online forums. Discussions of this nature often creates animosity between forum users due to real life political or military conflicts. CCP promotes the growth of a gaming community where equality is at the forefront. Nationalist, religious or political afiliations are not part of EVE Online, and should not be part of discussion on the EVE Online forums.

allah al gankbar?


Seriously. Please explain how - in even the slightest way - your (hilarious) warning to stop a legitimate gameplay style results in discussion of "real world politics" or even better "religion"??

How do either of those involve blowing up players in an internet spaceship game about blowing up internet spaceships?

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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#20 - 2014-11-04 04:09:38 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


Seriously. Please explain how - in even the slightest way - your (hilarious) warning to stop a legitimate gameplay style results in discussion of "real world politics" or even better "religion"??

How do either of those involve blowing up players in an internet spaceship game about blowing up internet spaceships?


I dunno Leto (and all), I got a mail filled with RL zealotry. I could accept and deal with RP stuff, that's just part of the game, you know. And I really don't care about ganking either, for the same reasons. The newb killing thing I'm not so forgiving, that is what set me off. Something just didn't seem right, especially after the comment left in local. Some NPE, getting that thrown at you.

Sigh, defend the gameplay if you wish, but the RL zealotry isn't an easy pass. Not in Eve, and not with me.
I haven't sent anything to CCP, it's not how I prefer to deal with things.
Haven't decided what to do yet...
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