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Where is gravity?

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Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-10-31 21:06:58 UTC
David Therman wrote:
This being one of those questions that queries why something doesn't exist/doesn't function in New Eden as we would expect, it's almost guaranteed to be covered by The Lore... and if it isn't, it's space magic.

Impossible, as I have it on good authority that friendship is magic, and there's no friendship in Eve. Only deferred betrayal.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-10-31 21:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Syn Shi
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.

Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?

because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.

Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.

We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone



Before we figure out gravity....what is the technology used to make space ships out nerf foam so they bounce off each other.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#63 - 2014-11-01 02:19:23 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
Stationary?

So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?

I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term.
Suns, planets, moons, gates, stations and bookmarks don't move. They have absolute fixed coordinates.

We have, however, changed the size of stations and gates and that may affect your insta-bookmarks.

I can assure you they move. Either the Bookmarks or the celestials. It even happened during a gate camp one time when suddenly my scorpion bookmark was in range of the gate guns again- just 15 minutes and no session change in between...
I can assure you they don't.


Probably a victim of the +/- 3km variance on the warp exit point.

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beakerax
Pator Tech School
#64 - 2014-11-01 02:58:30 UTC
Azov Rassau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Space is a liquid

Confirmed


I hope the art department will take this vision under consideration when it comes time to update the Rupture models.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#65 - 2014-11-01 02:59:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark O'Helm
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.

Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?

because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.

Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.

We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone

Also the planets and moons are not real there. U can fly into them, then they dissappear. And when u make it into the center of a sun(grab a fast ship, it will take a while) u will get a spectacular view and a nice bump.

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Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-11-01 20:33:10 UTC
Cue Culture ship naming posts.

Complete Lack of Gravity is my Myrmidon.

Tactical destroyers... I'll take a dozen Gallente, please.

Pestilen Ratte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-11-02 07:09:47 UTC
Varchesse wrote:
I just put it all down to the ship's computer making adjustments so that you don't have to worry about pesky physics.


This.

I reckon that somewhere in the lore, possibly not yet encountered by CCP staff, i was found that, very early in space travel, the limitations of the human mind, having evolved in fluid environments, were not able to compute the trajectories and velocities of zero friction space.

So, very early on, space flight computers governed the control interface so that ships would respond AS IF they were submarines in water. This proved to be such a sensational invention, so popular with everyone, that this system of space flight control became ubiquitous. Insurance companies soon required it as a matter of policy, and that was that.

All this happened before the Eve gate was ever built, and since the Empire races achieved their tech from its remnants, they also use this inherently sensible method of controlling space flight.

Occasionally some half wit complains that he is a space lord, and not a submarine pilot, and hacks into the central flight comp core to make things "real". And then he spirals into a sun, or asteroid, and is heard from no more... because the human brain can't handle real physics.

The sounds are also part of the flight computer making things easier for human biology. We use aural signals as an interface to the world, and so the ship computer translates light and shock wave cues into sounds we recognise, and may respond to.

With regard to the star system bodies not orbiting or even moving, I dunno.
Maybe that is just lazy programming from CCP devs.



Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2014-11-02 10:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Entity wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
Stationary?

So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?

I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term.
Suns, planets, moons, gates, stations and bookmarks don't move. They have absolute fixed coordinates.

We have, however, changed the size of stations and gates and that may affect your insta-bookmarks.

I can assure you they move. Either the Bookmarks or the celestials. It even happened during a gate camp one time when suddenly my scorpion bookmark was in range of the gate guns again- just 15 minutes and no session change in between...
I can assure you they don't.


Probably a victim of the +/- 3km variance on the warp exit point.


Uh there is something like that? I did not know that. Regardless of that. Why would they work 200 times before and then suddenly the bookmarks are out of range, agan without session change.

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#69 - 2014-11-02 17:20:58 UTC
I would like to see a more dynamic space. like random comets, planets shooting through a solar system. heck even random planets colliding. super nova pls pretty please.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#70 - 2014-11-02 17:36:31 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
I would like to see a more dynamic space. like random comets, planets shooting through a solar system. heck even random planets colliding. super nova pls pretty please.
Fixed that for you.

Random planets colliding.

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Nevil Oscillator
#71 - 2014-11-02 18:21:40 UTC
For a similar scenario I once had to destroy conventional astrophysics, the solution that I came up with was that the equivalent of sub warp engines are not rocket engines as we know today but work through some strange yet unknown medium. A medium that the engines are not entirely able to detach from thus causing the friction like effect that conveniently provides all the stability required for an action shoot em up.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#72 - 2014-11-02 20:05:00 UTC
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.

Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?

because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.

Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.

We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone


what if it was like a Crowd being Controlled by a Production company or something Shocked

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Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#73 - 2014-11-02 20:21:53 UTC
Miko Valentine wrote:
no Gravity ? than why do i hear voices in space there is no Air so the sound waves could travel and there shouldnt be explosions and in Phoebe the Max capital ship travel range is 5 lightyears do the travel back in time when they do this Long range in a few seconds << they should and why does my ship burn when reaching the structure ... and all these Giant ships we Fly without a Crew Operating it this isnt possible


Wrong on all counts.

Read the lore.

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Nevil Oscillator
#74 - 2014-11-02 21:13:29 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Miko Valentine wrote:
no Gravity ? than why do i hear voices in space there is no Air so the sound waves could travel and there shouldnt be explosions and in Phoebe the Max capital ship travel range is 5 lightyears do the travel back in time when they do this Long range in a few seconds << they should and why does my ship burn when reaching the structure ... and all these Giant ships we Fly without a Crew Operating it this isnt possible


Wrong on all counts.

Read the lore.


Or check this out

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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#75 - 2014-11-02 21:18:16 UTC
Each spaceship has special Tesla coils that negate gravity in the vicinity of the spaceship, it's THAT simple Roll

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Nevil Oscillator
#76 - 2014-11-02 22:32:14 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Each spaceship has special Tesla coils that negate gravity in the vicinity of the spaceship, it's THAT simple Roll


Well I know why I didn't think of that
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-11-02 22:59:45 UTC
Advanced Gravitics is a skill every capsuleer has by default.

I shall name my Domi Inappropriate Lack of Gravity.

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Nevil Oscillator
#78 - 2014-11-02 23:04:19 UTC
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.

Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?



How close are we talking about for gravity of an object to be strong enough to noticeably effect things ?

If you are that close to a star, I'm not sure that my main question would be why isn't the gravity having any effect.
Sakaron Hefdover
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-11-02 23:29:02 UTC
Well, The star example is a simple example, Seeing as the planets are supposed to move I guess the noticeable examples would be everything in system as everything with mass is being affected by gravity.
Nevil Oscillator
#80 - 2014-11-02 23:35:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
Well, The star example is a simple example, Seeing as the planets are supposed to move I guess the noticeable examples would be everything in system as everything with mass is being affected by gravity.



Everything with a mass exerts gravitation force, it is just negligible for those with a mass in tons much less than a moon and not a great deal for a moon either as demonstrated in video footage from 1969.


Although Titan (A moon of Saturn I think it is) is apparently not far off the mass of Earth.