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NPC Corps

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Mehrune Khan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-11-02 22:48:27 UTC
From what I understand, when you leave a player corp, you get stuck in a random NPC corp. What I want to know is *which* NPC corps are in that random list? I am looking for an NPC corp with no tax rate, such as Carthum Conglomerate or Imperial Chancellor. Can I even get in one of these corps, or will players always get stuck in a NPC corp with an 11% tax rate?

Thanks for your help.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-11-02 22:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
The only NPC corps you can be put in are 11% tax ones. It's not a random corp you get assigned to, it's based on your bloodline (iirc), while your starting corp is based on your school.

So there are three NPC corps per race which are starter corps (for Amarr it's Hedion University, Imperial Academy, Royal Amarr Institute ) and there are three NPC corps per race which you get assigned to after leaving a player corp (for Amarr they are, Amarr Amarr - Viziam; Amarr Ni-Kunni - Imperial Shipment; Amarr Khanid - Ministry of War), all with 11% tax.

There's also the factional warfare corp which, iirc has lower tax, but which means you're part of factional warfare with all the consequences thereof
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#3 - 2014-11-03 01:46:00 UTC
Join a corp or start your own if you want to avoid taxes.

... What next ??

Mehrune Khan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-11-03 02:24:59 UTC
Nah if I join another corp, they expect me to help them out. Right now I'm a miner and mining corps expect you do give them free ore during mining ops every so often. I want to keep 100% of the profits of my labor. If I start my own corp with a 0% tax rate, I run the risk of getting wardecced and having no way to deal with that.

It seems the safest and most profitable way to mine is to be in an NPC corp. I guess I just have to deal with the 11% tax rate.
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-11-03 02:42:03 UTC
The 11% is only on bounties and mission rewards what does it matter to mining?

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

Miromme Echerie
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-11-03 07:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Miromme Echerie
Yeah, tax doesn't affect market tax. It's purely concord payouts (bounties, incursion payouts, mission payouts, ??).
Also, I dunno what corps you joined but I've never been asked to give free ore to the corp.. They'll sometimes have a 80-90% ore buyback program if they're not near a hub, but that's not required to use. And it's better for you to use it (unless you have an alt hauler) anyway, because if you're, say, 20j from the closest trade hub, you need to travel 20j. In a freighter (probably a freighter, idk what else a ton of ore would fit into). And that takes forever. There might be ore buy orders up, but chances are those are underpriced anyway, so you'd make less. Anyway, back to the hauling point. If you can't haul the stuff on an alt, you're probably going to make more ISK paying the 10% buyback and mining in the time you would've done the 40j (it's 20j there, but you need to do a round trip) in a freighter. Soo it's good. But if you can fly (and have) a freighter and you're only a few jumps away from a hub, probably better to haul yourself.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#7 - 2014-11-03 09:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Celine Sophia Maricadie
Mehrune Khan wrote:
Nah if I join another corp, they expect me to help them out. Right now I'm a miner and mining corps expect you do give them free ore during mining ops every so often. I want to keep 100% of the profits of my labor. If I start my own corp with a 0% tax rate, I run the risk of getting wardecced and having no way to deal with that.

It seems the safest and most profitable way to mine is to be in an NPC corp. I guess I just have to deal with the 11% tax rate.

Fwiw, what you're paying for to a corp with your donation of "free" ore, if that's what they ask, to the mining corp is for infrastructure and support you can't effectively get on your own, such as Orca boosts and POS support, hauling services, etc. You're actually losing potential ISK by wanting to keep 100% of your own efforts as opposed to getting say 95% of 120% of your efforts (as an illustration). In my experience it's been the override of ISK on a buyback program which they often use parsers so you can double check the prices they're offering.

Andrew Carnegie said it best; "I would rather have 1% of the efforts of 100 men as opposed to 100% of my own." It's the concept of leverage.

It could be that you have an Orca pilot alt that's providing you boosts as well as hauling and getting decent market with the various trade skills.

It looks like in your entire employment history in your own corps you've never been decced. The risk is very low. It would cost the deccing corp/alliance 50 million to dec you. You could always close your corp and start a new one for 1.6 million.

Anyway, just further food for thought. Not trying to change your mind on your decision to stay in an NPC corp.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-03 13:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
It's not random.

And you can NOT chose which NPC corp you end up with.


When you create your character, you also create the set of NPC corps you are linked to.

These are:

A. Your starting NPC corp (based on your "type of history").
B. Your default NPC corp (based on race and bloodline). - For you it will always be Viziam


All NPC corps in EVE have 11% tax, but as you are a miner, it means jack **** as mining doesn't fall under that 11% taxation.


Also, you can make your own private corp if you want, with 0% tax if you really want. Not that it really matters as a miner. But as you said, this will mean you can be wardecced.

Though, after the big industry changes, there is 1 reason to be in at least a player corp...it opens up the ability to drop a POS, which equals better refining with how it works now.

As for market transaction taxes, they aren't linked to the corp tax. They are related to your skills and your standings with the station owner (both on owner's corp and faction level).

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#9 - 2014-11-03 16:44:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Mehrune Khan wrote:

It seems the safest and most profitable way to mine is to be in an NPC corp.


If you primarily mine in one or two systems, get friendly with the locals. It's not unusual to have a guy offering boosts to his neighbors once he is comfortable with them.

So you can certainly be in an NPC corp to avoid wars. Then tank your barge or Exhumer to avoid ganks while negating the loss in efficiency with boosts.

Mr Epeen Cool
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#10 - 2014-11-03 21:31:01 UTC
Mehrune Khan wrote:
Nah if I join another corp, they expect me to help them out. Right now I'm a miner and mining corps expect you do give them free ore during mining ops every so often. I want to keep 100% of the profits of my labor. If I start my own corp with a 0% tax rate, I run the risk of getting wardecced and having no way to deal with that.

It seems the safest and most profitable way to mine is to be in an NPC corp. I guess I just have to deal with the 11% tax rate.


For what it's worth, the risk of wardecs is pretty minimal unless you make yourself out to be a juicy target (or a potential source of entertainment).

Keep your mouth shut in local, keep your nose clean, and don't bling out your ships, and you'll probably never see a wardec that you don't initiate. If you want to add a bit of additional safety to yourself, make your home base in an out-of-the-way system (or even constellation).

Keep a spreadsheet of the names you see most commonly in local in your system(s) (assuming you're in a quiet area without much through-traffic), and once you've determined who are regulars, mark them accordingly via standings.

Check those corps and alliances for wardecs, and check killboards for their losses and where they occurred. That will give you a solid place to start keeping an eye out for activity.

Once you've determined who the regulars are, you can also send them a mail. Greet them, mention that you're looking for a new place to hole up for a little while, and ask if the have any information about potential threats that can occasionally pass through the system.

Any system you set up shop in, you're being watched as much as you're watching them. By the time you consider them to be relatively minor threats, they're probably considering you the same (so long as you haven't done anything questionable).

Things get a bit more difficult if you're in a populous system or one with a lot of through-traffic, but it's still doable, you just have to be significantly more vigilant about the types of ships and players passing through. Careful use of your overview can give you a significant amount of advanced warning, as can a liberal use of the standings systems as you travel around (see a group of flashy-reds in a system you're travelling through? Mark them as -5 to be cautious should they enter your system. See actual ganks or wardecs by them on the killboards? Mark them as -10).

Really, the risk of a wardec is very, very overblown. Common highsec wardec groups aren't really going to care about a one- or two-person corp unless you bling out your ships or do something stupid to them.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#11 - 2014-11-05 18:06:35 UTC
Mehrune Khan wrote:
I run the risk of getting wardecced and having no way to deal with that.


Highsec mining is only safe assuming anyone who comes near you is going to kill you anyway, so what difference does a wardec really make?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#12 - 2014-11-05 19:12:26 UTC
Mehrune Khan wrote:
Nah if I join another corp, they expect me to help them out. Right now I'm a miner and mining corps expect you do give them free ore during mining ops every so often. I want to keep 100% of the profits of my labor. If I start my own corp with a 0% tax rate, I run the risk of getting wardecced and having no way to deal with that.

It seems the safest and most profitable way to mine is to be in an NPC corp. I guess I just have to deal with the 11% tax rate.


a mining corp should provide benefits like gang bonuses, hauling services, and/or refining services. I would expect this to nearly double your mining output. it makes sense to me to share some of that excess gain. If you can do all that on your own then sure why bother with a corp, but at that point you are running 5+ accounts.

Also you don't really even need a corp to do group mining ops. it almost makes sense for everyone to be in a different corp to deal with impact from wardecs, and threats from awox'ers (although that is supposedly going away soon™)

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2014-11-05 22:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Mehrune Khan wrote:
Nah if I join another corp, they expect me to help them out. Right now I'm a miner and mining corps expect you do give them free ore during mining ops every so often. I want to keep 100% of the profits of my labor. If I start my own corp with a 0% tax rate, I run the risk of getting wardecced and having no way to deal with that.

It seems the safest and most profitable way to mine is to be in an NPC corp. I guess I just have to deal with the 11% tax rate.

Not all corps require this. Different corps have different requirements.

Many corps will give you free ships, skill books, and attribute implants. Then to top it off, reimburse losses during organized events.

Usually also POS research, manufacturing, refining (no standing required), compression facilities too.

Shop around Blink

Example: When I became CEO of a small corp, I set the tax rate to 0% and required all members contribute a refundable fee of 1.25b ISK. I later doubled that amount to 2.5b ISK. Nobody complained, because working together the corp paid all members 700m to 1.4b per week, AFTER all corp costs were paid. We had one 4 hour corp op per week.
Mehrune Khan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-11-05 23:49:00 UTC
Thanks for the replies. Just the same, I would rather stick it out on my own for now.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#15 - 2014-11-06 08:36:39 UTC
Then there is also mining null, if you don't like revolving door corps you could always try it out in Providence.
They allowed free mining along with their fleets in the past provided that you obeyed their NRDS-policies and had proven to be a trust worthy resident.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-06 11:54:18 UTC
long story short.

default 11% tax corp. deal with it

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