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Fuel to the Fire

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Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#41 - 2014-11-02 16:18:21 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
The passive-aggressive hatred in this thread against Kim is probably greater than her hatred against the Federation itself.

Good lord, people, good lord.

I dislike Kim's hatred against Federation -- she even wants to kill me every day -- but to join this pathetic witch-hunt, give GalNet likes to every bit of hate there is, that is just little too much. I'm not even going to talk about the sociopathic urge to allow and celebrate a forum censorship. I guess you can dream on, though, and keep banning people from your channels and other forums just because they are a bit different and not like you. You all seem to like that so very much to dive deep in a boredom of ~un-diversity~.

/throws potatoes

When one is constantly insulted, threatened and bullied, and with no other alternative but to ignore the bullier, what would you suggest then, ma'am.

Kim has gone out of her way to derail far too many threads lately, which is a direct violation of the rules of the IGS itself; even when the thread has had nothing to do with or even about her, she will come in and make it about her. Since the enforcement of the rules cannot be counted upon in a constant and consistent manner, the only real recourse is to ignore her, which the OP is asking be done.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#42 - 2014-11-02 16:46:49 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
When one is constantly insulted, threatened and bullied, and with no other alternative but to ignore the bullier, what would you suggest then, ma'am.

Kim has gone out of her way to derail far too many threads lately, which is a direct violation of the rules of the IGS itself; even when the thread has had nothing to do with or even about her, she will come in and make it about her. Since the enforcement of the rules cannot be counted upon in a constant and consistent manner, the only real recourse is to ignore her, which the OP is asking be done.

If you are constantly insulted, threatened or bullied by someone, there are official ways how to report this and such reports are not taken lightly.

I have no idea what are you talking about, though. There is not a single post from Kim that is against any rules, as far as I know.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Anslo
Scope Works
#43 - 2014-11-02 16:48:30 UTC
You can't read, can you?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#44 - 2014-11-02 16:53:40 UTC
I can exercise freedom of speech and give that right even to potatoes like Kim.

She can derail any thread she wishes and mumble whatever she wants.

Unless it's a complete offtopic. Which is not. Shocking. I know.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-11-02 16:57:17 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

Kim has gone out of her way to derail far too many threads lately, which is a direct violation of the rules of the IGS itself; even when the thread has had nothing to do with or even about her, she will come in and make it about her. Since the enforcement of the rules cannot be counted upon in a constant and consistent manner, the only real recourse is to ignore her, which the OP is asking be done.

Liar Knight Saissore keeps lying about me.
Nothing changes in this world it seems.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#46 - 2014-11-02 17:04:25 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

Kim has gone out of her way to derail far too many threads lately, which is a direct violation of the rules of the IGS itself; even when the thread has had nothing to do with or even about her, she will come in and make it about her. Since the enforcement of the rules cannot be counted upon in a constant and consistent manner, the only real recourse is to ignore her, which the OP is asking be done.

Liar Knight Saissore keeps lying about me.
Nothing changes in this world it seems.


From the looks of it, that's her opinion, is it really a lie when your sharing your own opinion? That would be like me calling you a liar for saying the federation must be destroyed.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-11-02 17:07:55 UTC
Well, since I started replying in this troll topic anyway, so..
Vizage wrote:

I am talking of course of Ms. Diana Kim. Her continued hollow, vile, and vapid attempts to spit hatred and bigotry here has gone on quite enough.

Nice trolling attempt, too bad it is just empty words.

Vizage wrote:
Her bold face wishes to be part of the Provists movement and hero worship of Heth represent the worst of the Caldari ideals, she represents the worst of my people. As such I can no longer sit by without at least speaking my peace. To my fellow Caldari and the other nations alike, she is a harlequin echo of the man who nearly sent our State to ruin and worse still she is both completely unrepentant and vocal about this.

Well, insults beside, I am now even a "worshipper" in troll's mouth. Great.
Oh, and no, those, who are hiding in nullsec while Caldari are fighting, have lost their privilege to being called Caldari.

Vizage wrote:

Ms. Kim represents a nearly extinct and locally reviled percentage of our people but shouts so loud she allude to a scale far greater than reality allows. Like the Provist she espouses whenever questioned, she represents an enemy of the Caldari State not an Ally, and as such I would emplore all those who should choose to continue to engage her in her grandstanding to remember this.

Ah, just empty bile and lies, nothing really important.

Vizage wrote:

After reading through today's dose of bigotry...

You decided to write bigotry. Great.

Vizage wrote:

And so today I give you my pledge; " No more. No more will I engage this bigoted grandstander. No more will I grant her vitriol an ear to land upon. No more will I lash back in anger and frustration against a foe who's only goal is attention for her vile agenda. I am finished. I pledge to no longer engage in this hate-filled game. I will not respond; no matter the cries or calls of cowardice. I will not afford this vapid foe another ounce of my effort or attention. This I pledge and enshrine here for all to see. "

Then return to your 0.0, gurista, and stay silent, if that was your goal. Really.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-11-02 17:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

Kim has gone out of her way to derail far too many threads lately, which is a direct violation of the rules of the IGS itself; even when the thread has had nothing to do with or even about her, she will come in and make it about her. Since the enforcement of the rules cannot be counted upon in a constant and consistent manner, the only real recourse is to ignore her, which the OP is asking be done.

Liar Knight Saissore keeps lying about me.
Nothing changes in this world it seems.


From the looks of it, that's her opinion, is it really a lie when your sharing your own opinion? That would be like me calling you a liar for saying the federation must be destroyed.

That wasn't really smart. Let me get it straight.
If I say that the Federation must be destroyed - this is an opinion.
If I say that the Federation was destroyed - this would be lie.

If I say that I don't like what you post always - this would be an opinion.
If I say that what you have written here right now is crap - this is an opinion as well.
If I say that you write crap always - this would be lie.

So my point stands, Liar Knight Steffanie Saissore just spreads lies about me.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#49 - 2014-11-02 17:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Please let me clarify this, I'm saying her opinion is that you have been derailing the majority of the recent posts (or something to that effect). That's her opinion, is she lieing about what she feels on it? No. It would be like me saying your a liar for saying the federation must be destroyed, In that situation I don't agree with you, so are you lieing? No, unless your secretly a gallante agent in disguise. You see the point I'm making right? Saying your own personal opinion on a matter isn't lieing about the topic at hand
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#50 - 2014-11-02 17:24:29 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Dianapost.



Don't worry everyone... i have a abridged every one of her posts

(.___________________________________________.)/

Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#51 - 2014-11-02 17:27:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Caroline Grace wrote:
I can exercise freedom of speech and give that right even to potatoes like Kim.

She can derail any thread she wishes and mumble whatever she wants.

Unless it's a complete offtopic. Which is not. Shocking. I know.



I'm curious Ms. Grace. At what point did I demand Ms. Kim to stop anything? At which point did I impinge upon your so called freedom of speech?

Where?

Could you point it out to me?

Because from where I am sitting, all I see is a promise to no longer engage her and her vile diatribes. I see no demand for her to stop speaking, nor do I see any claim that she has no right.

I am merely calling a spade and spade. Setting the record straight and laying down my choice of action to deal with her.

Ms. Kim's freedom to shovel garbage onto this forum is of no concern of mine. My concern is the airplay she is given by capsuleers who know no better than to engage in her insanity. To warn them and explain that it is a game they cannot win. I would be happier to see her ridiculous threads get posted with little to no fan fare, with no replies, and with no oxygen to stoke their flames. I would not be so happy to see her forcibly muzzled. That I'm afraid only breeds resentment, chains don't make a calmer person, only a subdued one.

This is no witch-hunt Ms. Grace. I am not calling for any action here. Nor would I expect, or endorse it. I am asking for inaction, one that furthermore does Kim no harm nor good.

You claiming otherwise makes it no more truthful, and if anything is a witch hunt in-and-of -itself. You are seeking hatred-in-action where there is none. This thread was supposed to be a remedy to a long issued ill here, nothing more. Should you see pitch forks and torches come out. Then by all means, call it a which hunt.

Untill then.

Get your facts straight.

Regards

K. Amsel
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-11-02 17:39:00 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Please let me clarify this, I'm saying her opinion is that you have been derailing the majority of the recent posts (or something to that effect). That's her opinion, is she lieing about what she feels on it? No. It would be like me saying your a liar for saying the federation must be destroyed, In that situation I don't agree with you, so are you lieing? No, unless your secretly a gallante agent in disguise. You see the point I'm making right? Saying your own personal opinion on a matter isn't lieing about the topic at hand

Derailing is not an opinion, it is something that can be verified or refuted.
Majority is a definite statement as well, that can be verified or refuted.

If she wouldn't like my posts - that is her right, and she could show her opinion.
Instead, she accuses me in violation of rules, and since she is Liar Knight, she doesn't even accuse, she just slanders, as there not even a single proof to her words.
Or that I am calling her Liar constantly - this is because she was claiming that I was flying a dominix. You wouldn't say that was opinion too, right?
That would be rather interesting point of view, to have "opinion" that a Caldari Navy Scorpion was a dominix. Right?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-11-02 17:42:31 UTC
Vizage wrote:

I am merely calling a spade and spade.

Said a person, who put a whole thread as a collection of lies about me.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#54 - 2014-11-02 17:51:28 UTC
In your opinion, she's a liar. In her opinion, you generally derail topics. In my opinion, you need to look up the meaning of the word "opinion." Personally I don't see everything you say as derailment. I definitely see how it could be seen as it. For instance "I'm holding a mascarade party" "well your a liar, and an example why the federation must be destroyed." Is it really derailing? To someone trying to defame the host, no. To the person trying to hold the event? It definitely is. So in her opinion that's derailing her thread. from your perspective it isn't. Opinion is based on perspective, your perspective isn't the only one that exists. period.
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#55 - 2014-11-02 18:01:48 UTC
Vizage wrote:
I'm curious Ms. Grace. At what point did I demand Ms. Kim to stop anything? At which point did I impinge upon your so called freedom of speech?

Where?

Could you point it out to me?

Because from where I am sitting, all I see is a promise to no longer engage her and her vile diatribes. I see no demand for her to stop speaking, nor do I see any claim that she has no right.

I am merely calling a spade and spade. Setting the record straight and laying down my choice of action to deal with her.

Ms. Kim's freedom to shovel garbage onto this forum is of no concern of mine. My concern is the airplay she is given by capsuleers who know no better than to engage in her insanity. To warn them and explain that it is a game they cannot win. I would be happier to see her ridiculous threads get posted with little to no fan fare, with no replies, and with no oxygen to stoke their flames. I would not be so happy to see her forcibly muzzled. That I'm afraid only breeds resentment, chains don't make a calmer person, only a subdued one.

This is no witch-hunt Ms. Grace. I am not calling for any action here. Nor would I expect, or endorse it. I am asking for inaction, one that furthermore does Kim no harm nor good.

You claiming otherwise makes it no more truthful, and if anything is a witch hunt in-and-of -itself. You are seeking hatred-in-action where there is none. This thread was supposed to be a remedy to a long issued ill here, nothing more. Should you see pitch forks and torches come out. Then by all means, call it a which hunt.

Untill then.

Get your facts straight.

Regards

K. Amsel

A passive-aggressive public rant about how you are going to ignore a certain person, later snowballed into a hate parade and forged into the witch-hunt. That's what is going on here. Why did you make your OP statement publicly in the first place? Maybe you have just some weird urge to inform strangers about how you deal with people you dislike, and, by all means, go for it. However by doing so, you unleashed all the hate against a single person and the witch hunt, as you can clearly see from the whole thread right here. That's a big ******* no go for me, even though I'd love to slap Diana almost daily. But there is a fine line you need to see and understand.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-11-02 18:31:07 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
In your opinion, she's a liar. In her opinion, you generally derail topics. In my opinion, you need to look up the meaning of the word "opinion." Personally I don't see everything you say as derailment. I definitely see how it could be seen as it. For instance "I'm holding a mascarade party" "well your a liar, and an example why the federation must be destroyed." Is it really derailing? To someone trying to defame the host, no. To the person trying to hold the event? It definitely is. So in her opinion that's derailing her thread. from your perspective it isn't. Opinion is based on perspective, your perspective isn't the only one that exists. period.

When I say that she is a liar, it isn't opinion, it is a statement of a fact.
But, as a transmissions of recorded conversations aren't allowed here, the proof I can send to anyone interested via NeoCom mail. Or provide date and time with NeoCom channel.
As for that exact derailing, that was for her pesronally for starting insulting me out of nothing with more lies in another thread. But it doesn't give her right that I derail everywhere. She is a 'special' case, that deserves 'special' treatment.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#57 - 2014-11-02 18:32:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Caroline Grace wrote:

A passive-aggressive public rant about how you are going to ignore a certain person, later snowballed into a hate parade and forged into the witch-hunt. That's what is going on here. Why did you make your OP statement publicly in the first place? Maybe you have just some weird urge to inform strangers about how you deal with people you dislike, and, by all means, go for it. However by doing so, you unleashed all the hate against a single person and the witch hunt, as you can clearly see from the whole thread right here. That's a big ******* no go for me, even though I'd love to slap Diana almost daily. But there is a fine line you need to see and understand.



Ms. Grace

Did you even read my initial post? Or anyone of the ones that followed it? It's quite clear what my intentions where upon making the post.

In the very quote you have used to make your last comment I outlined it again... This topic, dare I say it for the sixth or seventh time now, its a call for inaction. I am asking people to stop engaging in her inane rants. Frankly without putting it into a codified contract I can't figure out a clearer way I could have got this message across.

There is absolutely nothing "Passive" about this. I have been straightforward in my claims. I have called Diana Exactly what I think of her. I have, through my pledge outlined Exactly what I plan to do about it, and Exactly what I wish other would do. Namely follow me in my pledge.

Quite frankly Ms. Grace. I feel like you are just throwing words at me without any express understanding of their meaning, hoping their high syllable count will force me into retreat.

Regards

K. Amsel
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#58 - 2014-11-02 18:37:12 UTC
Feel free to remain delusional about what is going in this thread.

Maybe one day when you will read a similiar thread full of hate about you, you will finally understand.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#59 - 2014-11-02 21:25:46 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
In your opinion, she's a liar. In her opinion, you generally derail topics. In my opinion, you need to look up the meaning of the word "opinion." Personally I don't see everything you say as derailment. I definitely see how it could be seen as it. For instance "I'm holding a mascarade party" "well your a liar, and an example why the federation must be destroyed." Is it really derailing? To someone trying to defame the host, no. To the person trying to hold the event? It definitely is. So in her opinion that's derailing her thread. from your perspective it isn't. Opinion is based on perspective, your perspective isn't the only one that exists. period.

When I say that she is a liar, it isn't opinion, it is a statement of a fact.
But, as a transmissions of recorded conversations aren't allowed here, the proof I can send to anyone interested via NeoCom mail. Or provide date and time with NeoCom channel.
As for that exact derailing, that was for her pesronally for starting insulting me out of nothing with more lies in another thread. But it doesn't give her right that I derail everywhere. She is a 'special' case, that deserves 'special' treatment.


I'm not trying to pry into issues between you two, its not my concern nor anything I care about. I will ask however, was it a conversation between the two of you or multiple other people? If its between only you two, where's the harm? Saying something in the heat of an argument to anger you is hardly trying to pass off info to defame your character. If its between multiple people then its similar to the few times you've called me an ignorant tribal or whatever. You don't know my education level or even if I was educated in the republic (for the record yes I was). Are you a liar for saying such things about myself or others? Notice I personally don't care whether you say such things, your negative words are pointless and misinformed. I choose my battles, not look to create them. Really to you I'd be nothing more than a terrorist yet I show more discipline in conducting myself in public than you. At this point I'm going to stop pursuing this argument, as I signed to earlier. Feel free to get in the last word, I invite you to.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-11-02 22:06:36 UTC
It was said in public channel, Ms. Vess. And she didn't apologize for it even after I called her out.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.