Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Worth a half asleep +1

I think that is more because of how heavilly speed affects damage calculations. If that was weighted more to sig, it would balance better. Webs will always remain desirable as tackle - painters step up as more effective DPS related ewar thus improving choices/decisions.

Tl;dr: speed vs sig needs swapped in damage calculations.

i think you do have too address webs and perhaps damps aswell before TP's can become more useful

webs and damps should get a nerf in effectiveness .. and reducing the web range on recons aswell as the warfare link that boosts them out too crazy ranges likes 100km .. faction webs range probably needs a nerf too..

A little more options for bonused target painting wouldn't hurt, it can be moderately useful when you have ship bonus + faction TP + mind linked electronic superiority link. Problem is there aren't many platforms to do that over a wider variation of scenarios (or the ships are better used for their other roles) though there is the side effect of increasing the feasibility of blapping sup caps with capital weapons (fighter bombers and xl turrets).

Forgive my math because, well, just do but isn't that only true if the suggested module reduced speed and increased sig by the same %? If it were biased towards say the speed aspect wouldn't that then make it more effective against certain targets than a flat buff to TPs?

As I say I just pulled the numbers out my arse because brighter people than me create the game but that's how I read that scary formula, perhaps I'm wrong?

Strictly speaking that's not true because if the Signature of the weapon exceeds the Signature Radius of the target, the damage modifier doesn't go over 100%. With most guns that happens without a Target Painter against same-sized ships, and certainly has a lot less net impact than Speed vs Tracking when shooting down a size.

Ohoh, I seem to have a bad influence on you. Now you start to exaggerate like me

Right now I am not sure if I said it once but while being "lore wise" on the minmatar theme correct, painters do need a much larger optimal range, so I wouldn't mind a buff to them or two.

Possibly seeing as tp has about 40km optimal and about 100km falloff

Target painters probably ought to be buffed a little. I think that it's useful to point out that webs have different roles in different situations, and while range control is a big factor in why people use webs, they're just as useful as an application tool for bigger ships, which is a role overlap with target painters. The range of a target painter, I think, should be retained even with a buff to their sig bonus because the balance trade off with webs is the sacrifice of range dictation.

Within the context of the thread, I assume the purpose of your change is to make things easier to hit with turrets by slowing them down, in particular to consider only a portion of the targets' speed (referring to 1000m/s actual speed, 800m/s considered).

Tracking formula depends on product of the ratios between: Angular speed/Tracking Speed and Gun size/Sig

Desirable effect for the Victim occurs when the product of these ratios is increased. The victim achieves this by increasing speed or decreasing sig. Or both. Angular Speed and Sig are in an inverse relationship. The assailants wants the opposite (speed down sig up)

A simple example is to evaluate the product with 1s everywhere then change either the Angular or the Sig.

Normal conditions: 1/1 * 1/1 =1
Speed decrease: 0.8/1 * 1/1 = 0.8
Signature increase: 1/1 * 1/1.25 = 0.8

The last two are identical and demonstrate how what you are proposing is already present. The net effect is that the deviation of signature radius from its standard value is identical to the change in velocity without the actual change in raw velocity. Therefore TPs already consider the target velocity to be a portion less - the exact portion is determined by the inverse of the sig deviation from the standard. A TP increasing sig by 40% is virtually decreasing speed by 29%.

I do not see the relevance of what you are saying in regards to this topic. I do not recall mentioning damage, only speed and the relative ease of tracking something.

TL;DR the proposed change is already present, just not explicitly described.