EVE General Discussion

but there's shitton of things repelling them already. Why would awox be the one that requires so much attention? Awoxing at least attracts some kind of people. It did entertain me and I've never done it.

I feel repulsed by people "offering duels" to newbies. They farm kills. Awoxer is a paragon of society compared to that activity. You don't go all physical with it.

If there's hard data showing that newbies tend to leave because of being awoxed, and you can verify it's not a scape goat for the leaving people (cba with the game AND there's awox ) then ok. I can't believe it to be true.

Devs should attempt to communicate their idea of the game better imho. That would solve a lot of crap. Maybe make people realize than loosing a ship is what the game is about, not a personal failure? Because this is what their friendly carebears will tell'em.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that but eve has almost nothing to offer aside from pvp when it comes to instant gratification. Industry is cool, but I would imagine a niche thing. People do exploration out of boredom. It is futile currently. You can go wormhole but that's SP intensive. What do you have left? PVE? The repeatable missions? You call people sticking to that not a niche? You expect new player retention from that?

I can understand how the burner missions and such (future) additions are suppose to change that. I'm really happy for that even though I probably will not bother to even try that. But for here and now you can say pve in eve is unimaginative, and the pvp/griefer crowd are the people trying to plug that hole with content creation.

If I was to make newbie experience better I would do precisely what I wrote in my last post - create a series of up to date and clean articles explaining various possibilities in eve, and then some player written comments about going thru given path.

There's not a problem you can't solve without a love of text.



I came to usually respect your opinion. Where did you guys get the awox idea from? What data was it?

I'd like to see, for example, what percentage of people leaving game came to contact with an awoxer, how many bothered to join a corp, how successful the joint corp was.

Very good idea +1 from me.

Agreed, Ama actually uses reasonable points to examine why awoxing can be an issue. I still wholeheartedly disagree, but think you for getting more detailed than the harassment claims from most of the community Ama.

It isn't and you're late to the party mike already admitted it isn't and that they are not considering fixing it.

Awoxing as it stands is actually an important part of life in eve, for most people it's an opportunity to wreak revenge for past misdeeds, or an opportunity to unleash the demi god within and cause some bad karma. What makes that attractive is the thought that you just might get away with it.

A concord response guarantees that you won't get away with it, concord is applying the sanctions that the awoxed players should be coming up with.

CCP is replacing opportunities for human interaction and human angst that drives emotional engagement with automated ones that ensure that awoxers won't get followed or hounded by the Corp mates they've betrayed.

Concord shouldn't be a replacement for player punishment.

Why dont you good folks stop with the childish bashing? Come up with a few idea's or be out there making stuff better.

How old are you anyway?

I wasn't being sarcastic, i said that because i agree with him. And why do you want to know my age? Do you want a date or something? Sure we can talk honey.

I also don't see how killing corpmates is a broken mechanic. It's the only risk inherent to recruiting someone to a corp, and I was under the impression that no action in this game should be without risk. As I tried to point out in my quick little story, there is a remarkably easy work around to the problem available to players as is. Sure, it was a fun experience for me, but it also shows that removing an awoxer is not that hard and can be fun for all involved.

No, I do not believe suicide ganking and corporate theft are risks of recruiting someone. Suicide ganking is a risk of being an overpriced or easy target (and why would someone who wants to gank join a corp?), corporate theft is a risk of giving people power in your corporation. Spies are barely a risk, because any spy that is watching someone where Concord exists isn't worth their time. High sec war deccers have locator agents, watch lists, and alts that can get eyes on a target.

As to the issue of retaining new players, you will not retain anyone who gets offended by an awox. That person will leave the game the moment some other nefarious individual comes along and does something "mean" to them. For that person, the reason they were offended by the game is that another living, breathing human being ruined their day. It won't matter if it's a gank, a scam, a theft, or whatever else. It's the fact that an actual person did something to them that they didn't like. I've often said, if any criminal activity in Eve were preformed by an NPC character, no one would complain. For example, belt rats in high sec are fully capable of killing mining vessels very easily without Concord intervention. To my knowledge, no one is calling for their removal or asking that they be made less difficult.

As for getting people into player corps, there will always be a large number of people who join this game because they want to do things that do not involve other players. Those people will always remain in NPC corps and the most they want to do with other players is maybe an occasional conversation in local. There's also the issue, statistically, of people in player corps having alts in NPC corps (though I'm not sure how those players are looked and am talking about something I don't know here). Finally, the bigger detraction for folks in high sec to join player corps is the threat of the war dec. From my experience, the standard response to a war dec is for a player to drop corp and go back to an NPC corp until the dec blows over.

Finally, the "it doesn't make sense" argument. Sure it does. Lore wise, why would Concord give a crap about two people in the same capsuleer organization doing anything to one another? We may as well give people suspect timers for looting a corp mate's wreck. Logic wise, there is a benefit to having the ability to shoot friends without consequence in that it provides for some quick and easy fleet training (such a thing will be a real pain in the ass unless duels or the dojo can provide for large engagements) and that benefit outweighs whatever risk is involved in my mind. Fun wise, the quick and easy ability to grab a frigate and fight a corp mate without having to go through a series of clicks is pleasant and a nice way to break up a slow evening.

I am not an awoxer and have no interest in the play style. I understand entirely why the ability exists though, and am fully supportive of keeping it for a multitude of reasons. In no way do I think it is a broken system, that it can be some how improved upon, or that it overwhelmingly discourages player interaction and retention.

Alrighty, said my peace.

If you think pvp is 'something others do' and you should be exempt in some way you belong in the the dumpster behind the loony bin.

Because the awoxer would not fly in a corporate ship. Since the awoxer works with a low sp alt he has to transport this stuff with a freighter alt anyway.[/quote]

Lets assume here that the guy who just stole a bunch of stuff isn't awoxing (which I didn't imply in the first place). Why should the rest of the corp be allowed to shoot him without concord intervention? Why should game mechanics protect him?



You're assuming that this is the way things always happen. It isn't.