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The end of Corpmate Awoxxing?

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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#801 - 2014-11-01 10:18:46 UTC
Looking at the statistics of 'Awox' on zkillboards, I see RvB is far and away the largest corp vs corp 'perpetrator' in hisec.

I would be most interested in what they have to say about this topic.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#802 - 2014-11-01 10:23:11 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
AWOXing has been with EVE for just about forever and it's one of those things that has made EVE both famous and infamous over the years.


How many of us here would never have joined the game if not for having heard the story of Guiding Hand Social Club?

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Lug Muad'Dib
Funk'in Hole
#803 - 2014-11-01 10:29:03 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Looking at the statistics of 'Awox' on zkillboards, I see RvB is far and away the largest corp vs corp 'perpetrator' in hisec.

I would be most interested in what they have to say about this topic.


"The RvB case is the use case that are very legitimate. But not to take words from him
he has recognized that its a bigger change for the community and that its a good change that has to be
done. And that they will look at how to work around it."
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#804 - 2014-11-01 10:32:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
AWOXing has been with EVE for just about forever and it's one of those things that has made EVE both famous and infamous over the years.


How many of us here would never have joined the game if not for having heard the story of Guiding Hand Social Club?

While I didn't read the story until years after I joined the game, it did help cement my opinion that this was the game for me.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Josef Djugashvilis
#805 - 2014-11-01 12:20:07 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
AWOXing has been with EVE for just about forever and it's one of those things that has made EVE both famous and infamous over the years.


How many of us here would never have joined the game if not for having heard the story of Guiding Hand Social Club?


I have absolutely no idea, but then, neither do you.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#806 - 2014-11-01 13:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:

I'll read your post, but I'm not wading through 20+ pages of post history, given that most of the first 5-10 pages of your post history link back to this thread.


Use the search function it does not take much effort to find the thread use "highsec reward" as your term.

Searching "highsec reward" and posts from La Nariz brings up the following threads:


Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3? (68 pages)
High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality (62 pages)
Tackling the problem of null-sec ratting bots. (23 pages)
What would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec? (147 pages)
Specific Examples of Where Risk Should Be Inserted Successfully Into High-sec (35 pages)

Yeah, I'm not sifting through all that. If you'd like to respond to my earlier post:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

Imagine if there were areas without concord that had limited resources that were worth the :effort: and fighting over.

Where'd you guys leave the keys to fountain, if you don't mind my asking? Seeing as it's not worth the :effort: ...

Without referencing some obscure post in a long forgotten thread, be my guest. Until then, I'll assume your full of it when you say your regions aren't worth the :effort: of defending.


I've explained all of the stuff you are whining about to you before and pretty much refuted it all before too so I'm not going to spend the :effort: on some whiny constipated babby.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#807 - 2014-11-01 14:09:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
o.0
Pretty sure those words were english. Not exactly sure what that word soup was supposed to mean, however.
Blind-folded dartboard guesses...
1) go to low/null if you want pvp, because you are bad person if you do.
2) THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
3) I got nothing here. I get the vague sense that it's an anti-awox poast, but it keeps ganking my brain each reread.
The words were English, the content was gibberish.

Aqriue wrote:
Highsec doesn't make that much isk since its been nerfed
I lol'd. I'd love to see an explanation from you, preferably one written by a human being and not a random text generator, about how highsec has been nerfed in terms of income.

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Vincent Athena
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#808 - 2014-11-01 14:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
I have shot corp members, and also been shot. We have used the mechanic as a training tool for sparring and testing fittings and game mechanics. I also like the current mechanic as a rule-enforcer (we have a no afk policy) and will destroy anyone not responding in space. This was our founders policy and it will always be so.

DO NOT TAKE THIS MECHANIC AWAY!

I would STRONGLY urge a modified approach to the current mechanic:

Why not leave the choice up to a corp? The politics voting mechanic is good as it allows a vote. There is a waiting period, and notifications sent out to all corp members if/when the status changes. No surprises.

You could see what a corp's status is before joining, and (as a recruit) could make that informed decision.

I think this would be an acceptable change for most (except those die-hard awoxers, but you will still have the opportunity to sway a corp into voting this change in). It also allows the 'scamming' type to continue, by setting their corp status to allow corp-killing, while advertising that they are not...
It is Eve, after all Blink

~K~


Interesting notion. I kind of like it actually, as it makes sense in putting the choice in the hands of the individual corps rather than spraying more orange safety foam all over high sec.

I know! I know! Allow corps to declare war on themselves. As it's a mutual war, it's free.

Edit: BTW, as far a protecting new players goes, this rule change does nothing, due to the war mechanics. If you goal is to blow up new players, you make 2 corps, do a mutual war, invite in noobs and have the other corp right there to pop them.

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Sol Project
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#809 - 2014-11-01 14:26:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective...
Posts like yours show that people who do not understand what this is about are quite a large and noisy collective. They also can't see beyond their selective awareness and don't care about anything except their own fake and shallow standards.

I bet you have absolutely NO experience in the whole matter at all and just talk from hearsay. I bet you haven't been into at least five of these "new player friendly" corps who are more harming than anything.

You do not do PvP. I know this from you. Yet, instead of accepting that you lack any actual knowledge or experience about what's going on, you think you can make such a statement that only shows that you have absolutely *no* insight on the matter or what this is actually about.

You just parrot the same crap all the other clueless haters parrot, who do not have any actual insight into what's happening.


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Vincent Athena
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#810 - 2014-11-01 14:27:55 UTC
Syllviaa wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Thing is it does so by removing a stupid loophole. Can one of the opposition explain to me WHY it makes sense that I can shoot a guy in my corp but not a stranger? Why concord will react to one incident and not the other?

With dual mechanics we now have ways to 'test a tank' ignoring completely sisi server for the moment. So why did the awox mechanic make sense to you? I understand it made Eve 'dangerous' and allowed a certain type of gameplay but at the bottom of it . . . is there a logic to that rule?


If a guy steals a bunch of corporate stuff & is currently flying it in a freighter to the neatest trade hub, why shouldn't you be allowed to kill him & not have concord intervene?

What if he was less than brain dead and dropped corp before getting into that freighter? Most corp thieves drop right away. Then free corp shooting will be useless.

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#811 - 2014-11-01 14:35:32 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Most corp thieves drop right away.
Proof?

Besides, you make no sense.

.) There is no reason to quit, just because the theft is done.
He can as well keep trying to shoot them too

.) There is no need to quit at all, when intra-corp aggression is gone.
That'll happen latest at the next downtime anyway.

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Vincent Athena
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#812 - 2014-11-01 14:46:02 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Most corp thieves drop right away.
Proof?

Besides, you make no sense.

.) There is no reason to quit, just because the theft is done.
He can as well keep trying to shoot them too

.) There is no need to quit at all, when intra-corp aggression is gone.
That'll happen latest at the next downtime anyway.

Only personal experience. Ive been in corps that have had thieves. They all dropped right away. Even if, as a thief, I wanted to stay and cause trouble, I would not get in a freighter. That would be silly.

We have two cases;

Current rules: Thief drops corp before hauling, and you cannot freely shoot him.
Proposed rules: Thief may or may not drop, but either way you cannot freely shoot him.

End result in both cases: You cannot freely shoot him.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#813 - 2014-11-01 15:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective...
If you'd actually bothered to read the thread instead of just sperging, you'd realise that the opposition to this proposed change comes from players across the spectrum, not just PvPers.

Kindly keep your misinformed generalisations to yourself, and try to add something constructive to the thread next time you decide to post.

On a side note; newbie and noob are not interchangeable, Ctrl+Alt+Delete covers this nicely. When you call a newbie a noob you insult them.

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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#814 - 2014-11-01 16:31:14 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective...
If you'd actually bothered to read the thread instead of just sperging, you'd realise that the opposition to this proposed change comes from players across the spectrum, not just PvPers.

Kindly keep your misinformed generalisations to yourself, and try to add something constructive to the thread next time you decide to post.

On a side note; newbie and noob are not interchangeable, Ctrl+Alt+Delete covers this nicely. When you call a newbie a noob you insult them.



43 pages and you still argue over something that was never said.


At the end of the day it looks like this social experiment is coming to an end. CCP has reached the point where attracting the low hanging pvp crowd is detrimental to the game and there isn't enough new players coming in to mitigate the ones this playstyle drives away willingly...and is happy about it. I can comment on stuff that was never said as well.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#815 - 2014-11-01 16:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Syn Shi wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective...
If you'd actually bothered to read the thread instead of just sperging, you'd realise that the opposition to this proposed change comes from players across the spectrum, not just PvPers.

Kindly keep your misinformed generalisations to yourself, and try to add something constructive to the thread next time you decide to post.

On a side note; newbie and noob are not interchangeable, Ctrl+Alt+Delete covers this nicely. When you call a newbie a noob you insult them.



43 pages and you still argue over something that was never said.


At the end of the day it looks like this social experiment is coming to an end. CCP has reached the point where attracting the low hanging pvp crowd is detrimental to the game and there isn't enough new players coming in to mitigate the ones this playstyle drives away willingly...and is happy about it. I can comment on stuff that was never said as well.
Please point out in the post you've quoted where I'm arguing about something that was not said. The post you've referenced points out that the person I've quoted is insulting newbies by calling them noobs and throwing misinformed generalisations, about who is in opposition to the proposed changes, around.

At this stage I'm writing you off as a shitposting troll who has trouble with reading comprehension. I'll say to you what I said to the poster I quoted, if you haven't got anything constructive to add kindly STFU.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#816 - 2014-11-01 16:37:50 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
At this stage I'm writing you off as a shitposting troll who has trouble with reading comprehension.

At this stage? Brother, you need your troll-detector rewired.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#817 - 2014-11-01 16:43:49 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
At this stage I'm writing you off as a shitposting troll who has trouble with reading comprehension.

At this stage? Brother, you need your troll-detector rewired.

nope, its just giving screwy readings because hes bashing his head against it,
i recommend shooting someone in the face to remedy the situation, preferably someone blissfully unaware.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#818 - 2014-11-01 16:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Some Rando wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
At this stage I'm writing you off as a shitposting troll who has trouble with reading comprehension.

At this stage? Brother, you need your troll-detector rewired.
lol I have a nasty habit of giving people a chance to prove that they're not trolls, until they categorically prove otherwise, he just proved that he is.

*puts his troll detector in for calibration, it appears to be out of whack.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
i recommend shooting someone in the face to remedy the situation, preferably someone blissfully unaware.
I will be doing exactly that, just waiting for my shipment of ships and modules of fuckery to be delivered from Jita. My alt will be starting the "carebear to killer" training course as soon as it turns up PirateBig smile

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#819 - 2014-11-01 16:49:59 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
This thread shows clearly that people preying on noobs are quite a large and noisy collective...
If you'd actually bothered to read the thread instead of just sperging, you'd realise that the opposition to this proposed change comes from players across the spectrum, not just PvPers.

Kindly keep your misinformed generalisations to yourself, and try to add something constructive to the thread next time you decide to post.

On a side note; newbie and noob are not interchangeable, Ctrl+Alt+Delete covers this nicely. When you call a newbie a noob you insult them.


People like that need to believe that everyone opposed to what they are saying are in the same 'camp' because it allows them to mentally dismiss the arguments against their position. It's basically intellectual cowardice.

The real truth is that there are many of us who believe that CCPs naive gradual erosion of the spirt and flavor of EVE is a bad thing that will lead to worse outcomes than just leaving things alone. The people who aleady don't like EVE (notice that the guy you replied to is Star Citizen's leading cheerleader on these forums) will never understand this till it's way too late.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#820 - 2014-11-01 16:55:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
notice that the guy you replied to is Star Citizen's leading cheerleader on these forums
TBH I hope that Star Citizen isn't just vapourware. The sooner it comes out of beta the sooner we can get shot of people like that, they're closed-minded and poisonous.

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