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Self-destruct km generation
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mPistoleroZ
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-14 13:26:15 UTC
Example: So you tackled a carrier but in order for the carrier pilot to avoid the killboard troll he self-destructs his ship before you kill him.

The ship was destroyed.. so why not having a killmail?

Suggestion: If you self-destruct your ship and you have aggression eve should automatically generate a killmail as it happens with everything else in game (you die to rats, you have a km). It should also send the km to the first human dmg dealer.
Alexander Renoir
Covenant Trading Agency
#2 - 2011-12-14 14:01:40 UTC
Why should you get an killmail? You have NOT done the last shot.

...generate a killmail as it happens with everything else in game (you die to rats, you have a km)...

Furthermore there are other examples, where you do not get an killmail. Think of ganking. The ganker does also get NO killmail.
mPistoleroZ
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-14 14:10:08 UTC
When you kill a ratter and the final blow has been done by the rat, then eve sends a killmail to the first dmg dealer and one loss mail to the ratter that lost the ship. Thing is that with self-destruct no km is generated at all. What you can do actually is self-destruct your ship every time that you are100% that you will die but it will take the attacker some time before he finishes the job... (f.e. solo frig against a geddon).
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-12-14 14:24:34 UTC
mPistoleroZ wrote:

butthurt Oops


^^ This. Thank you Goose99

This
And This
And This
And This

Of course there are many more, but to break it down each OP felt hurt that they got denied. Hey, You have 2 minutes so plan around that because it could be instant explosions instead (god I love doing that in WoT). If you didn't do it...hey no harm no foul that cap ship/freighter didn't get away and now it no longer exists in EVE. That precious KM you seek is just a bandaid to slap on your little ego so you feel better about yourself and reduce the hurt of the little Owie Cry that someone 1-upped you knowing it was going to hurt.

See you all next time, Same Bat Forum, Same Bat Post! next week when someone else thinks its a brilliant idea to fix the lol-exploit of self destructing RollLol.
mPistoleroZ
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-14 14:42:58 UTC
Oh no emo at all m8...

Btw, how many time have you self-destruct your ship so as to be so offended??



Also... no need for any killmails at all, right? .....
You can skip posting your kills/losses but some entities are working like that. If you dont want it dont use killboards, absolutely no harm for you. From the moment that you decide to self-destruct your ship so as to avoid the lossmail (that precious km that you refer to), it's YOU in the first place the one who is involved in this emo situation.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-12-14 14:53:11 UTC
Alexander Renoir wrote:
Why should you get an killmail? You have NOT done the last shot.

I'm still registered on a killmail regardless of whether or not I fired the final shot, and they still managed to cause a situation where they lost their ship. If nothing else, I see no problems with selfdestructing your ship causing you to get a suicide killmail, and as such I see no problem with adding a killmail generation to whomever pointed you or did the most damage. It might make more people think twice before selfdestructing, and it might also make them fight that much harder to get away if they're trapped. They could get lucky. This is a good thing.

Alexander Renoir wrote:
Furthermore there are other examples, where you do not get an killmail. Think of ganking. The ganker does also get NO killmail

I'm fairly certain your nose is growing.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-12-14 16:17:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
mPistoleroZ wrote:
Oh no emo at all m8...

Btw, how many time have you self-destruct your ship so as to be so offended??



Also... no need for any killmails at all, right? .....
You can skip posting your kills/losses but some entities are working like that. If you dont want it dont use killboards, absolutely no harm for you. From the moment that you decide to self-destruct your ship so as to avoid the lossmail (that precious km that you refer to), it's YOU in the first place the one who is involved in this emo situation.

Bro, I don't give a damn about a loss mail. The only fact I would self destruct, is to **** you off. Ruin your day. **** on your breakfast plate and serve it steaming hot. What ever it takes, I will do it knowing you didn't enjoy losing to me.

I don't care how you percieve it that someone self destructing is lol-knocking the chess board over and walking away miffed, I know for a fact that you as typed in your opening post that you want that KM and I know how to deny it to you. I will take the loss of the ship no matter how much you think I am a sore loser, because in the end I don't f*cking care either way except that I know I took something precious from you and you had 2 minutes to try to take it from me but failed. Thats how I perceive it, you want something and I denied it. I win, you lose, I lost a ship, you didn't, = MAD (mutually assured destruction, you fire nukes we in turn fire back on you, we destroy your cities while you destroy ours and the end result is nobody actually wins)

There is no honor, no respect, nothing in this harsh universe called EVE that says you must have that KM and I can do damn well what I want to prevent you from having it (once its in your kill log, THEN you won). If there was some mutual respect and no asshattery (goons banging macks, Hulkaggedon, scams, corp theft) then I would let you have a KM because there was respect both ends but since no one else gives respect then, Hey! why not join in on it and ruin other people's gaming experience anyway you can short of out right stalking/harrassment.
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-12-14 17:55:08 UTC
should remove the self destruct butten, or atleast make it so you can only selfdestruct your pod.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#9 - 2011-12-14 18:37:53 UTC
SD is currently the only way for a gankee to flip the ganker the bird ..

Since we son't have the ability to spit in the face of our would be destroyer, SD is the next best thing.
mPistoleroZ
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-12-14 22:27:33 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
mPistoleroZ wrote:
Oh no emo at all m8...

Btw, how many time have you self-destruct your ship so as to be so offended??



Also... no need for any killmails at all, right? .....
You can skip posting your kills/losses but some entities are working like that. If you dont want it dont use killboards, absolutely no harm for you. From the moment that you decide to self-destruct your ship so as to avoid the lossmail (that precious km that you refer to), it's YOU in the first place the one who is involved in this emo situation.

Bro, I don't give a damn about a loss mail. The only fact I would self destruct, is to **** you off. Ruin your day. **** on your breakfast plate and serve it steaming hot. What ever it takes, I will do it knowing you didn't enjoy losing to me.

I don't care how you percieve it that someone self destructing is lol-knocking the chess board over and walking away miffed, I know for a fact that you as typed in your opening post that you want that KM and I know how to deny it to you. I will take the loss of the ship no matter how much you think I am a sore loser, because in the end I don't f*cking care either way except that I know I took something precious from you and you had 2 minutes to try to take it from me but failed. Thats how I perceive it, you want something and I denied it. I win, you lose, I lost a ship, you didn't, = MAD (mutually assured destruction, you fire nukes we in turn fire back on you, we destroy your cities while you destroy ours and the end result is nobody actually wins)

There is no honor, no respect, nothing in this harsh universe called EVE that says you must have that KM and I can do damn well what I want to prevent you from having it (once its in your kill log, THEN you won). If there was some mutual respect and no asshattery (goons banging macks, Hulkaggedon, scams, corp theft) then I would let you have a KM because there was respect both ends but since no one else gives respect then, Hey! why not join in on it and ruin other people's gaming experience anyway you can short of out right stalking/harrassment.



haha i love this :D more emo!

the only thing that happens is that you lose your ship.. if you want to create a sense of winning be my guest then.

If I was giving it so much importance i could always create a km for my killboard and no it wouldnt be erased. Thing is what is right for EvE gameplay. U loose a ship... face it!!!!
Alexander Renoir
Covenant Trading Agency
#11 - 2011-12-15 08:14:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander Renoir
Lord Zim wrote:

Alexander Renoir wrote:
Furthermore there are other examples, where you do not get an killmail. Think of ganking. The ganker does also get NO killmail

I'm fairly certain your nose is growing.



Hey Goonie.. get killed by CONCORD and you will not receive a killmail for YOUR loss. That is what I mean. Shure you will get a killmail for the gank victim. But not for YOUR OWN loss as ganker.
mPistoleroZ
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-15 09:19:48 UTC
You certainly get a mail if someone else (one pilot or more) had any kind of aggression on you. A killmail is also sent to the top damage dealer of human participants (as usually it's concord who does the most damage).

If you self destruct without any aggression by others then you shouldnt get a killmail of course.
Kuhn Arashi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-12-15 10:09:23 UTC
I don't think anyone should get a killmail for a suicide.

But it would be nice to generate a viewable loss mail. But that would require people to have their mails autopost.
Which if CCP (who has more information about battles than anyone) made an all inclusive killboard wouldn't but an issue
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-15 10:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Alexander Renoir wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

Alexander Renoir wrote:
Furthermore there are other examples, where you do not get an killmail. Think of ganking. The ganker does also get NO killmail

I'm fairly certain your nose is growing.


Hey Goonie.. get killed by CONCORD and you will not receive a killmail for YOUR loss. That is what I mean. Shure you will get a killmail for the gank victim. But not for YOUR OWN loss as ganker.

Hey, pubbie, when you mean lossmails, say lossmail, not killmail.

If concord doesn't cause you to get a lossmail when you gank, then I'd say there's something which should be changed. vOv

mPistoleroZ wrote:
If you self destruct without any aggression by others then you shouldnt get a killmail of course.

A lossmail wouldn't be amiss.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
mPistoleroZ
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-12-15 11:46:08 UTC
The whole self-destruct thing has its function.

But this feature is violated so as to escape from the killmail. If you dont have aggression, no mail (as it is now) but if someone has aggression on you then generate the mail. Logical thinking is that you get involved in a battle.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-12-15 12:01:55 UTC
Yeah, no **** it should be like this... Why are people still having to request this CCP?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-15 12:49:03 UTC
mPistoleroZ wrote:
The whole self-destruct thing has its function.

But this feature is violated so as to escape from the killmail. If you dont have aggression, no mail (as it is now) but if someone has aggression on you then generate the mail. Logical thinking is that you get involved in a battle.

I see no reason why it shouldn't generate a lossmail if you selfdestruct ships for profit, too. You've "lost" ships.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-12-15 18:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
Selfdestruct was introduced as legitimately tactic to avoid killmails and lossmails for both participants. It makes no sense to change this mechanic behind the idea of:

"You do not killed these ship; therefore you deserve no killmail"
and
"You have attached a tremendous harm to me; but thankfully no one will believe you, that I was so stupid to do that sh!t."
Big smile

Selfdestruct IS selfdestruct! Irrelevant of incoming damage before the big boom. Not your damage made my ship explode.. it was me and my own (stupid?) decision.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#19 - 2011-12-15 18:57:56 UTC
fix self destruct crybabies!

remove all killboards!

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
mPistoleroZ
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-12-15 23:31:04 UTC
Why not?! At least by removing killboards there wont be any problems like this...
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