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What if i dont want the christmas presents listed? Thx for the Fish
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Hemmo Paskiainen
#21 - 2011-12-14 13:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Jace Errata wrote:
Devaluation of a free item does not result in a loss of ISK. It just means you can get less ISK for selling it than before the devaluation, unless it somehow devalues until you have to pay people to take it off you (which is ridiculous given that if you absolutely must get rid of it, you can trash it entirely for free).

Your argument, dear sir, is....devalued. :awfulpuns:


Depends if u bought it or not, as in eve most things are traded, certainly after yrs of handing out the item. As in eve everything has its value, even gifted items. A gifted item is not free, its worth the isk someone is willing to pay for it.

The longer the time is expired or item is given away, the more rare it come and the more ppl want to pay for it. Thus increasing its value. Its not exacly that collectors items are usefull.

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#22 - 2011-12-14 13:50:49 UTC
So can I have my free Aur. from the Eve is Real crap removed yet? Also to the OP don't choose a options it will limited thing and will go away.

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Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-12-14 13:53:15 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
Devaluation of a free item does not result in a loss of ISK. It just means you can get less ISK for selling it than before the devaluation, unless it somehow devalues until you have to pay people to take it off you (which is ridiculous given that if you absolutely must get rid of it, you can trash it entirely for free).

Your argument, dear sir, is....devalued. :awfulpuns:


Depends if u bought it or not, as in eve most things are traded, certainly after yrs of handing out the item. As in eve everything has its value, even gifted items. A gifted item is not free, its worth the isk someone is willing to pay for it.

The longer the time is expired or item is given away, the more rare it come and the more ppl want to pay for it. Thus increasing its value. Its not exacly that collectors items are usefull.

I think what I'm getting at here is YOU DIDN'T BUY IT. Yes, if/when you come to sell it, it may be worth less than an earlier time. But unless something stupid happens to the EVEconomy (yes, I just made that up), people will always be willing to pay more than it cost you (because you got it for nothing).

TL;DR: Even after devaluation, selling a free gift =/= ISK loss.

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#24 - 2011-12-14 13:56:12 UTC
Jace Errata wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
Devaluation of a free item does not result in a loss of ISK. It just means you can get less ISK for selling it than before the devaluation, unless it somehow devalues until you have to pay people to take it off you (which is ridiculous given that if you absolutely must get rid of it, you can trash it entirely for free).

Your argument, dear sir, is....devalued. :awfulpuns:


Depends if u bought it or not, as in eve most things are traded, certainly after yrs of handing out the item. As in eve everything has its value, even gifted items. A gifted item is not free, its worth the isk someone is willing to pay for it.

The longer the time is expired or item is given away, the more rare it come and the more ppl want to pay for it. Thus increasing its value. Its not exacly that collectors items are usefull.

I think what I'm getting at here is YOU DIDN'T BUY IT. Yes, if/when you come to sell it, it may be worth less than an earlier time. But unless something stupid happens to the EVEconomy (yes, I just made that up), people will always be willing to pay more than it cost you (because you got it for nothing).

TL;DR: Even after devaluation, selling a free gift =/= ISK loss.


Lets assume im sitting on 50 zephyrs, does that mean i have 50 accounts?

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Wyte Ragnarok
#25 - 2011-12-14 14:00:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyte Ragnarok
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Lets assume im sitting on 50 zephyrs, does that mean i have 50 accounts?


No. It means you're fat.
Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-12-14 14:02:37 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
Devaluation of a free item does not result in a loss of ISK. It just means you can get less ISK for selling it than before the devaluation, unless it somehow devalues until you have to pay people to take it off you (which is ridiculous given that if you absolutely must get rid of it, you can trash it entirely for free).

Your argument, dear sir, is....devalued. :awfulpuns:


Depends if u bought it or not, as in eve most things are traded, certainly after yrs of handing out the item. As in eve everything has its value, even gifted items. A gifted item is not free, its worth the isk someone is willing to pay for it.

The longer the time is expired or item is given away, the more rare it come and the more ppl want to pay for it. Thus increasing its value. Its not exacly that collectors items are usefull.

I think what I'm getting at here is YOU DIDN'T BUY IT. Yes, if/when you come to sell it, it may be worth less than an earlier time. But unless something stupid happens to the EVEconomy (yes, I just made that up), people will always be willing to pay more than it cost you (because you got it for nothing).

TL;DR: Even after devaluation, selling a free gift =/= ISK loss.


Lets assume im sitting on 50 zephyrs, does that mean i have 50 accounts?

Oh, so now we're talking about ones you've bought on the market too? Funny, I thought this thread was about the free gifts.
BTW if you collect hard enough to own 50 Zephyrs, it's likely you buying them all will actually drive up the market price anyway. You actually probably could buy them all if you sold/used to earn ISK some of that faction ammo you apparently have just lying around.

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#27 - 2011-12-14 14:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Jace Errata wrote:
Oh, so now we're talking about ones you've bought on the market too? Funny, I thought this thread was about the free gifts.
BTW if you collect hard enough to own 50 Zephyrs, it's likely you buying them all will actually drive up the market price anyway. You actually probably could buy them all if you sold/used to earn ISK some of that faction ammo you apparently have just lying around.


are u on drugs? or are u just that kind of ppl that just read the title and post the first thing that comes up in your head and hit post?

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-12-14 14:12:11 UTC
Maybe you should wish for Market 102 instead.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-12-14 14:18:52 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
Oh, so now we're talking about ones you've bought on the market too? Funny, I thought this thread was about the free gifts.
BTW if you collect hard enough to own 50 Zephyrs, it's likely you buying them all will actually drive up the market price anyway. You actually probably could buy them all if you sold/used to earn ISK some of that faction ammo you apparently have just lying around.


are u on drugs? or are u just that kind of ppl that just read the title and post the first thing that comes up in your head and hit post?

Neither. I just struggled through your first post (which is terrible, seriously), and came to the conclusion that you disliked the Xmas gifts because
A) You didn't need/want any of them
B) One of them would cause your collection of said item to be worth less.
My entire argument is based on the fact that your argument about why the collection would be worth less is invalid.

OKAY back on topic.

Devaluation of your free-gift Zephyr(s) is not a problem, since any price is more than you paid for them.
Devaluation of your non-free Zephyr(s) is not a problem since you are apparently rich enough to buy them all, so you can set the price...either that, or you'll never sell them (this is usually the point of collecting things).

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One day they woke me up so I could live forever

It's such a shame the same will never happen to you
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-12-14 14:40:12 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Can i choose for a question mark option??

I do not rly want all presents listed....give an unic gift instead

All presents for me have no value at all exept reselling for isk.....but i have collected previous gifts so those will devalue. Devaluation - these gift sell price = MINUS so it cost me iskies.....

THX FOR THE FISH


MARKET 101
buy a item x10 at an xx price (lest say 50m) witch is releaced only once. CCP releases more, item value go´s down due more supply = overall item price go´s down = buy - market = negative = u lose isk

Its like releasing T2 bpo´s again but than on a smaller scale, maybe i should quote the Unic item messages at previous presents if i could find them somewhere..

I remember back in the days that CCP stated many times to minimize their influence on the player driven markets in eve. This seems a perfect violation of atleast 5 player driven markets by overflowing the suppy with "free" items.



Fuel Blocks:
I dont have towers nor i wish to collect fuel blocks

Fuel BPO's:
I dont have towers nor i wish to collect fuel blocks, or produce flue blocks

Outliers (Special ships):
I allready have atleast 5 of each ship, echelon & primea are useless, and the zephyr is only usefull when u live in a wormhole (witch i dont). Thx for devaluing my collection by putting more on market

Ammo/Missiles:
Why should i want faction ammo as christmas present? My stocks are loaded with faction ammo, i dont want any more as x-mas present

+3 Implants:
I dont use +3 implants, only +4`s its complete useless

CA-1:
U just gave these out... kinda useless to do it again... and thx for devaluation of my current 18 sets...

Aurum:
Another useless thing to have, i play to pvp not to dress my char up like barbie


Interpretation:

"Whaaa! Waaaa! The free stuff CCP is giving for Christmas isn't what I want! Whaaaaaaaaaa!"

Response:

Shut the **** up you spoiled little prick! Where is the god damned "dislike" button!?

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Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-12-14 15:15:50 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Yes because i collect computers, reallly terrible comparisation... pls try again


I was only wondering if your reaction would be the same. You are worried about marked value so what is the difference?

I didn't say you collect computers, though maybe you do. I don't know how you live your life

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
LtCol Laurentius
The Imperial Sardaukar
#32 - 2011-12-14 15:30:48 UTC
Threads like these is why these forums need a dislike button.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#33 - 2011-12-14 15:48:21 UTC
I hate your face!

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-12-14 15:52:14 UTC
Surprise ... that should be an option..
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