Intergalactic Summit

I do not have much of a post history here, but I have been reading and lurking. This is not intended to be an attack.

There is a trend that I have noticed in posts and threads which select members of the Caldari State, though they are only soldiers and not policy makers or people with real power thankfully, continuously demonize Gallentians. They call for war and the destruction of the Federation. They call for the death of all Gallente. 'All Gallente' may be an overstatement by me because how horrible of a person would one have to be in order to eradicate innocent civilians? Yes, it has happened in the past by both Caldari and Gallente and it is a horrible thing. Casualties of war on a scope beyond that of your ordinary citizen.

Say that the Caldari won and the Federation is destroyed. What is to be done with those of Gallente blood who had no part in the fighting or governmental decisions for the war? Would it be a 'join us or die' scenario? Because that would go over like a turd in a punchbowl.

Say that the Gallente won and the State is destroyed. What would be done with those of Caldari heritage who did not partake in the fight or decision making process? It is my belief that they would be brought into the fold of the Federation and allowed to live their lives as normal. Basically just a change in flags.

Regardless of the outcome, the conclusion is not something that will be realized any time soon. Perhaps never.

It is not a war for resources or land. This is a blood-feud for past wrongdoings and that is all. I hit you because you hit me because I hit you because you hit me because I did something you didn't like. This is an endless cycle that will not end until both sides decide to just let it go or if an external threat makes itself known. The universe is a vast place and we have not seen a fraction of what is out there.

My point is this. There are more constructive things to do than hate without end.

*eats popcorn*

*sound of can filled with worms coming from op*

*continues eating popcorn*

And here we see another ridiculous attempt of gallenteans at propaganda, twisting facts and making lies about Caldari.

It were GALLENTE, who were calling to "EXTERMINATE ALL CALDARI", if you will check news report from Caldari Prime right before the war has started. It happened just about six years ago.

And, now, dear gallente, could you be so kind and point out, where ANY OF CALDARI were calling for death of ALL gallente?!

Or all you can do is just slander good Cadalri names?..

See, dear readers, this is the true face of the Gallenteans. You can see for yourself, what we are fighting against.

So you're telling me that you don't wish for genocide? Because that's the impression that I've been getting from your hateful posts. Hell, it's the only reason I even made this thread. Your demonizing of Gallentians and the vehemence of your words would easily make any outsider think that your desire for blood isn't limited to soldiers, but extends to all Gallentians.

I had no involvement in the war aside from where I happened to be born. I was not a combatant then and I am not part of the fighting force against the Caldari now. At this point I am more of an outsider looking in since I have nothing to gain from fighting against the State. I could honestly not care any less whether the Caldari are part of the Federation or their own entity. It doesn't affect me in any way.

So you've been accused of wishing genocide against Gallentians multiple times before? If that's the case then perhaps you should word things a little differently in your rants and tone it down some. I mean, with every post you make here you are in effect speaking for the Caldari military and not as an individual. Doesn't look too favorably on the State when their own are being accused of wishing genocide, and don't you want the honorable Caldari State to appear to be better than the Federation?

The reason you're being accused about it is because that is the impression that you give off with your anti-Gallente posts that border on extremism. And I'm obviously not alone in getting that impression so maybe, as I said before, you should word things differently if you want to avoid being accused of it in the future. Doesn't matter if it's lies or not, perception is everything. Ask any public relations personnel.

And despite what you may believe, I'm not part of some propaganda machine. Since I'm Gallentian you can understand why I would take issue with being exterminated, which is why I created this thread.

"Post with extremism?"..
Post...

Let me tell you what is extremism.
Ramming stations with nyxes is extremism.
Bombarding civilian planet because of terrorist attack on that planet is extremism.
Attacking Caldari citizens, only because they are Caldari and not Gallente is extremism.
When Caldari protesters against racism are beaten by gallente police, it is extremism.
Screaming to "Exterminate all Caldari" is extremism.
Torturing Caldari POWs is extremism.
Attacking our ships to drop them on our planets is extremism.

And you are not happy with what I write here? That I call out gallenteans for all their atrocities? Probably you should FEEL what does extremism mean. Probably when you will be waking up from air-raid sirens each morning and will be sitting in bomb shelters most of your day, you will finally understand what does extremism mean.

We are in first place professionals.
Yes, there were some mistakes made by Caldari as well. But both their volume and amount are not comparable with atrocities of Gallenteans.

Take for example this attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor. When it happened, the planet itself already was under gallentean blockade. This terroristic operation was performed by a couple heroes, who sacrificed their own lives, and they weren't supported by Caldari, but rather by a small organization, that had courage to bear consequence of their actions.

In reply, the WHOLE FEDERATION became TERRORISTS, as a terror attack from Federation was ordered from the very top, and was followed down to the executors, who weren't even threatened while committing this crime and bombarding peaceful planet.

How these gallenteans even think?.. To kill innocent civilians to punish those, who are already dead?.. Even this organization - Templis Dragonaurs, wasn't targeted, but just regular peoples, who live their lives. Their only "crime" was being born Caldari.

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And compare this to what I was proposing, besides destruction of Federation as entity, lets stop at those, whom I want to be killed physically, the peoples.
As we can't prosecute gallenteans for what their ancestors did, there are three major categories:
1) Those war criminals, who planned and allowed the Operation Highlander. Including those, who participated in its execution, willingly or not.
2) Occupants of Caldari Worlds. Those, who are currently on Caldari soil, and are oppressing Caldari peoples, occupying Caldari territories, must be eliminated. It stands only while they persist on doing this. Lives of those occupants, who will flee from our worlds, can be spared.

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3) Those, who serve the Federation and defend this criminal regime with weapons in their hands. However, this one part is my professional job anyway.

As you can see, in killing these categories I seek JUSTICE. It may be brutal and merciless, but it is justice and will affect only those, who did actions they can be charged with.

Isn't there some regulation that requires you to have public statements cleared before made public? I doubt any professional corporation or military would just let anyone release any outlandish remark freely, unless.... a less than professional approach.... was taken by the one who releases the statement. Don't mind me, just thinking out loud...

At the time of the attack, the State was a non-entity. Furthermore, as I have stated before, when the bombing occurred, the Federation did not have the luxury of sitting idly and waiting for an investigation to prove whether or not the Templis Dragonaurs were behind the attack. What was known was that half a million people were now dead and what was already a tense situation had now been escalated into violence.

We agree that it was an atrocity but the response from the Gallente Federation was more than understandable given the situation at hand and the information available. We can argue back and forth until the end of the cluster about whether or not the response by the Federation was appropriate, too heavy-handed, unjust, justified or otherwise.



It is unfortunate that history contains so many stains on both sides and no amount of apologies from either side can undo what has been done. However, the fact that the Gallente people rose up against such actions and revolted against the government of that time should indicate that the "Government" and "Navy" you are indicting are seen as no less the "extremist terrorists" to us than the Templis Dragonaurs are seen by your people.

In addition, continued action against the Federation and its people is action against the very people that deposed said extremist group.



The late Admiral Noir was an exemplar of peace between our two peoples for the entirety of his career. The Malkalen Catastrophe could not have been predicted by anyone, let alone the Federation. You know that as well as I.

Regarding the "theft" of your home world, your people abandoned that world. I would urge you to consider that the people leading the Caldari at the time of the secession had already established military infrastructure and assets outside Federation space and when the secession occurred, diverted all of their assets and resources to protecting those assets while simultaneously leaving their homeworld defenseless.

The only logical course of action for the Federation at the time would have been to prevent the establishment of a stronghold on Caldari Prime and suggesting that your leaders at the time didn't understand that is to do them an extreme disservice. If your people should be angry at anyone for the abandoning of Caldari Prime, it should be at your own Megacorporations who acted in their own self interests and whose short-sighted leadership put the Federation in the position it was in to begin with.



If one is truly interested in peace, one must consider both sides of the table. Your suggestion would involve the displacement of literally millions of Gallente living on Caldari Prime and opening the gates to an openly hostile entity to have free access to our doorstep. The Caldari that remained on Caldari Prime after the first war were generally left to their own devices, free to live out their lives in whatever forms they wished, which resulted in a highly segregated planet but one that allowed the people on it to live as they chose in relative peace and coexistence.

That your people continued to demand no such consideration contributed to the difficulty in arranging peace. Let us not treat each other with such disdain as to insult one another's intelligence, hm?