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Dev blog: Industry Changes for Phoebe

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Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
#41 - 2014-10-29 17:33:54 UTC
Aluka 7th wrote:
Will racial descriptors be converted and how?
If I have 10 Esoteric process and 20 Incognito process in my hangar, how will that be converted with new patch?


30 process, surely.

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Agnahr
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2014-10-29 18:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Agnahr
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Agnahr wrote:
CCP, reads your original thread that you started a couple of month ago and is now 15 pages long! Why start a new one and ignoring all the feedback in your first post????

Get back to us on our feedbacks there. You've get a big bunch of frustrated people by the incoming changes and CCP lack of interest including me:

Post 1

Post 2


This thread is specifically for third party developers and what they need to know.


How about your respond to the dev blog that you have been ignoring for 2 MONTH then!

I hear you load and clear: you guys don't give a f***k.
CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#43 - 2014-10-29 22:36:53 UTC
We have another dev blog on its way really soon (I just read the draft) which goes into detail on what is actually changing in Phoebe. Our plans have evolved slightly since the last blog, as plans tend to do.

CCP Nullarbor // Senior Engineer // Team Game of Drones
CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#44 - 2014-10-29 22:39:21 UTC
Ydnari wrote:
Madeline Doshu wrote:
I have a question:

Now that the data interfaces are no longer used in invention--and therefore no longer listed in the blueprints.yaml--how do you determine which set of decryptors are valid for use when inventing from a particular blueprint.

Maybe I was always doing it wrong; I would determine if a blueprint required a, say, an Esoteric Data Interface, and then know that the Esoteric decryptors were valid choices for that blueprint. Is there a better way with the Phoebe data?

Thanks!


They're removing racial decryptors.


This is correct, the decryptors are being merged to be not racial specific because it just makes more sense.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-10-30 00:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Madeline Doshu wrote:
I have a question:

Now that the data interfaces are no longer used in invention--and therefore no longer listed in the blueprints.yaml--how do you determine which set of decryptors are valid for use when inventing from a particular blueprint.

Maybe I was always doing it wrong; I would determine if a blueprint required a, say, an Esoteric Data Interface, and then know that the Esoteric decryptors were valid choices for that blueprint. Is there a better way with the Phoebe data?

Thanks!



With difficulty, I think, is the answer.

The encryption skill is the primary way to determine the race for the decryptors.

I'll probably be adding in a table to handle that.


CCP Nullarbor wrote:


-snipped-

The race data will no longer be required as of Phoebe. We only had that column to connect the product output to the correct decryptors, but those are being consolidated so they are not racially specific.



Doesn't that answer the question, that no way is needed, as they will no longer be racially specific?

Edit:

CCP Nullarbor wrote:

-more snips-

This is correct, the decryptors are being merged to be not racial specific because it just makes more sense.



yup
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#46 - 2014-10-30 13:30:12 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
probag Bear wrote:
Echoing the question(s) about Phoebe's "Adding multiple outcomes to Invention"

  • I assume the multiple outcome probabilities will be reflected in the SDE, or will happen according to some general formula somewhere, and you just haven't gotten around to actually talking about this?
  • Sorry, but I don't really see the point of the "successfulRuns" field, on its own, with multiple outcomes being added. If the quality of the successful runs is not also given, the quantity serves very little purpose.


The multiple outcomes feature is being scrapped, CCP Ytterbium will cover more on this in an upcoming dev blog. With this in mind, each invention run is then either successful or not, hence the API only returning a single count.


Will he also tell us why it is scrapped? Because I honestly thought this was the best part of the changes. Sad to see it's back to the old binary system.
salacious necrosis
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-11-01 03:06:26 UTC
salacious necrosis wrote:
Are the XML API changes already up on SiSi?

Thanks!


Bump. Just checked SiSi today and it looks like the new "successfulRuns" isn't in IndustryJobs or IndustryJobsHistory yet. Just curious if this is still planned for Phoebe, or maybe saved for a future release.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#48 - 2014-11-01 11:32:11 UTC
salacious necrosis wrote:
salacious necrosis wrote:
Are the XML API changes already up on SiSi?

Thanks!


Bump. Just checked SiSi today and it looks like the new "successfulRuns" isn't in IndustryJobs or IndustryJobsHistory yet. Just curious if this is still planned for Phoebe, or maybe saved for a future release.


Um... what? For corp or character? I thought I deployed this to Sisi a while ago... will double check on Monday but I could have sworn I deployed those changes.

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salacious necrosis
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-11-01 13:30:53 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
salacious necrosis wrote:
salacious necrosis wrote:
Are the XML API changes already up on SiSi?

Thanks!


Bump. Just checked SiSi today and it looks like the new "successfulRuns" isn't in IndustryJobs or IndustryJobsHistory yet. Just curious if this is still planned for Phoebe, or maybe saved for a future release.


Um... what? For corp or character? I thought I deployed this to Sisi a while ago... will double check on Monday but I could have sworn I deployed those changes.


I don't have active jobs for both Char and Corp but it's definitely missing in the headers. I do have some Corp job history but it's missing there as well:


https://api.testeveonline.com/Char/IndustryJobs.xml.aspx?keyID=xxxx&vCode=yyyy&characterID=1801683792

(eveapi version="2")
(currentTime)2014-11-01 13:10:15(/currentTime)
(result)
(rowset name="jobs" key="jobID" columns="jobID,installerID,installerName,facilityID,solarSystemID,solarSystemName,stationID,activityID,blueprintID,blueprintTypeID,blueprintTypeName,blueprintLocationID,outputLocationID,runs,cost,teamID,licensedRuns,probability,productTypeID,productTypeName,status,timeInSeconds,startDate,endDate,pauseDate,completedDate,completedCharacterID"/)
(/result)
(cachedUntil)2014-11-01 13:25:15(/cachedUntil)
(/eveapi)

https://api.testeveonline.com/Char/IndustryJobsHistory.xml.aspx?keyID=xxxx&vCode=yyyy&characterID=1801683792

(eveapi version="2")
(currentTime)2014-11-01 13:22:42(/currentTime)
(result)
(rowset name="jobs" key="jobID" columns="jobID,installerID,installerName,facilityID,solarSystemID,solarSystemName,stationID,activityID,blueprintID,blueprintTypeID,blueprintTypeName,blueprintLocationID,outputLocationID,runs,cost,teamID,licensedRuns,probability,productTypeID,productTypeName,status,timeInSeconds,startDate,endDate,pauseDate,completedDate,completedCharacterID"/)
(/result)
(cachedUntil)2014-11-01 18:07:28(/cachedUntil)
(/eveapi)

https://api.testeveonline.com/Corp/IndustryJobs.xml.aspx?keyID=xxxx&vCode=yyyy

(eveapi version="2")
(currentTime)2014-11-01 13:23:48(/currentTime)
(result)
(rowset name="jobs" key="jobID" columns="jobID,installerID,installerName,facilityID,solarSystemID,solarSystemName,stationID,activityID,blueprintID,blueprintTypeID,blueprintTypeName,blueprintLocationID,outputLocationID,runs,cost,teamID,licensedRuns,probability,productTypeID,productTypeName,status,timeInSeconds,startDate,endDate,pauseDate,completedDate,completedCharacterID"/)
(/result)
(cachedUntil)2014-11-01 13:23:52(/cachedUntil)
(/eveapi)

https://api.testeveonline.com/Corp/IndustryJobsHistory.xml.aspx?keyID=xxxx&vCode=yyyy

(eveapi version="2")
(currentTime)2014-11-01 13:24:19(/currentTime)
(result)
(rowset name="jobs" key="jobID" columns="jobID,installerID,installerName,facilityID,solarSystemID,solarSystemName,stationID,activityID,blueprintID,blueprintTypeID,blueprintTypeName,blueprintLocationID,outputLocationID,runs,cost,teamID,licensedRuns,probability,productTypeID,productTypeName,status,timeInSeconds,startDate,endDate,pauseDate,completedDate,completedCharacterID")
(row jobID="234306968" installerID="1801683792" installerName="reygar burnt" facilityID="60001357" solarSystemID="30003396" solarSystemName="Maturat" stationID="60001357" activityID="1" blueprintID="1015601865765" blueprintTypeID="3179" blueprintTypeName="Light Neutron Blaster II Blueprint" blueprintLocationID="155045100" outputLocationID="155045100" runs="10" cost="105106.00" teamID="0" licensedRuns="10" probability="1" productTypeID="3178" productTypeName="Light Neutron Blaster II" status="101" timeInSeconds="15276" startDate="2014-08-18 04:01:52" endDate="2014-08-18 08:16:28" pauseDate="0001-01-01 00:00:00" completedDate="2014-09-18 01:40:41" completedCharacterID="1801683792"/)
(row jobID="234306953" installerID="1801683792" installerName="reygar burnt" facilityID="60001357" solarSystemID="30003396" solarSystemName="Maturat" stationID="60001357" activityID="1" blueprintID="1015601865754" blueprintTypeID="3075" blueprintTypeName="150mm Railgun II Blueprint" blueprintLocationID="155045100" outputLocationID="155045100" runs="10" cost="131315.00" teamID="0" licensedRuns="10" probability="1" productTypeID="3074" productTypeName="150mm Railgun II" status="101" timeInSeconds="15276" startDate="2014-08-18 04:01:39" endDate="2014-08-18 08:16:15" pauseDate="0001-01-01 00:00:00" completedDate="2014-09-18 01:40:41" completedCharacterID="1801683792"/)
(row jobID="234306898" installerID="1801683792" installerName="reygar burnt" facilityID="60001357" solarSystemID="30003396" solarSystemName="Maturat" stationID="60001357" activityID="1" blueprintID="1015601865773" blueprintTypeID="2457" blueprintTypeName="Hobgoblin II Blueprint" blueprintLocationID="155045100" outputLocationID="155045100" runs="10" cost="26479.00" teamID="0" licensedRuns="10" probability="1" productTypeID="2456" productTypeName="Hobgoblin II" status="101" timeInSeconds="9792" startDate="2014-08-18 04:01:11" endDate="2014-08-18 06:44:23" pauseDate="0001-01-01 00:00:00" completedDate="2014-09-18 01:40:41" completedCharacterID="1801683792"/)
(row jobID="234306853" installerID="1801683792" installerName="reygar burnt" facilityID="60001357" solarSystemID="30003396" solarSystemName="Maturat" stationID="60001357" activityID="1" blueprintID="1009522163792" blueprintTypeID="17329" blueprintTypeName="Ion Thruster Blueprint" blueprintLocationID="155045100" outputLocationID="155045100" runs="200" cost="60909.00" teamID="0" licensedRuns="4000" probability="1" productTypeID="11531" productTypeName="Ion Thruster" status="101" timeInSeconds="20400" startDate="2014-08-18 04:00:37" endDate="2014-08-18 09:40:37" pauseDate="0001-01-01 00:00:00" completedDate="201


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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#50 - 2014-11-01 13:51:23 UTC
salacious necrosis wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
salacious necrosis wrote:
salacious necrosis wrote:
Are the XML API changes already up on SiSi?

Thanks!


Bump. Just checked SiSi today and it looks like the new "successfulRuns" isn't in IndustryJobs or IndustryJobsHistory yet. Just curious if this is still planned for Phoebe, or maybe saved for a future release.


Um... what? For corp or character? I thought I deployed this to Sisi a while ago... will double check on Monday but I could have sworn I deployed those changes.


I don't have active jobs for both Char and Corp but it's definitely missing in the headers. I do have some Corp job history but it's missing there as well:


https://api.testeveonline.com/Char/IndustryJobs.xml.aspx?keyID=xxxx&vCode=yyyy&characterID=1801683792

(eveapi version="2")
(currentTime)2014-11-01 13:10:15(/currentTime)
(result)
(rowset name="jobs" key="jobID" columns="jobID,installerID,installerName,facilityID,solarSystemID,solarSystemName,stationID,activityID,blueprintID,blueprintTypeID,blueprintTypeName,blueprintLocationID,outputLocationID,runs,cost,teamID,licensedRuns,probability,productTypeID,productTypeName,status,timeInSeconds,startDate,endDate,pauseDate,completedDate,completedCharacterID"/)
(/result)
(cachedUntil)2014-11-01 13:25:15(/cachedUntil)
(/eveapi)

https://api.testeveonline.com/Char/IndustryJobsHistory.xml.aspx?keyID=xxxx&vCode=yyyy&characterID=1801683792

(eveapi version="2")
(currentTime)2014-11-01 13:22:42(/currentTime)
(result)
(rowset name="jobs" key="jobID" columns="jobID,installerID,installerName,facilityID,solarSystemID,solarSystemName,stationID,activityID,blueprintID,blueprintTypeID,blueprintTypeName,blueprintLocationID,outputLocationID,runs,cost,teamID,licensedRuns,probability,productTypeID,productTypeName,status,timeInSeconds,startDate,endDate,pauseDate,completedDate,completedCharacterID"/)
(/result)
(cachedUntil)2014-11-01 18:07:28(/cachedUntil)
(/eveapi)

https://api.testeveonline.com/Corp/IndustryJobs.xml.aspx?keyID=xxxx&vCode=yyyy

(eveapi version="2")
(currentTime)2014-11-01 13:23:48(/currentTime)
(result)
(rowset name="jobs" key="jobID" columns="jobID,installerID,installerName,facilityID,solarSystemID,solarSystemName,stationID,activityID,blueprintID,blueprintTypeID,blueprintTypeName,blueprintLocationID,outputLocationID,runs,cost,teamID,licensedRuns,probability,productTypeID,productTypeName,status,timeInSeconds,startDate,endDate,pauseDate,completedDate,completedCharacterID"/)
(/result)
(cachedUntil)2014-11-01 13:23:52(/cachedUntil)
(/eveapi)

https://api.testeveonline.com/Corp/IndustryJobsHistory.xml.aspx?keyID=xxxx&vCode=yyyy

(eveapi version="2")
(currentTime)2014-11-01 13:24:19(/currentTime)
(result)
(rowset name="jobs" key="jobID" columns="jobID,installerID,installerName,facilityID,solarSystemID,solarSystemName,stationID,activityID,blueprintID,blueprintTypeID,blueprintTypeName,blueprintLocationID,outputLocationID,runs,cost,teamID,licensedRuns,probability,productTypeID,productTypeName,status,timeInSeconds,startDate,endDate,pauseDate,completedDate,completedCharacterID")
(row jobID="234306968" installerID="1801683792" installerName="reygar burnt" facilityID="60001357" solarSystemID="30003396" solarSystemName="Maturat" stationID="60001357" activityID="1" blueprintID="1015601865765" blueprintTypeID="3179" blueprintTypeName="Light Neutron Blaster II Blueprint" blueprintLocationID="155045100" outputLocationID="155045100" runs="10" cost="105106.00" teamID="0" licensedRuns="10" probability="1" productTypeID="3178" productTypeName="Light Neutron Blaster II" status="101" timeInSeconds="15276" startDate="2014-08-18 04:01:52" endDate="2014-08-18 08:16:28" pauseDate="0001-01-01 00:00:00" completedDate="2014-09-18 01:40:41" completedCharacterID="1801683792"/)
(row jobID="234306953" installerID="1801683792" installerName="reygar burnt" facilityID="60001357" solarSystemID="30003396" solarSystemName="Maturat" stationID="60001357" activityID="1" blueprintID="1015601865754" blueprintTypeID="3075" blueprintTypeName="150mm Railgun II Blueprint" blueprintLocationID="155045100" outputLocationID="155045100" runs="10" cost="131315.00" teamID="0" licensedRuns="10" probability="1" productTypeID="3074" productTypeName="150mm Railgun II" status="101" timeInSeconds="15276" startDate="2014-08-18 04:01:39" endDate="2014-08-18 08:16:15" pauseDate="0001-01-01 00:00:00" completedDate="2014-09-18 01:40:41" completedCharacterID="1801683792"/)
(row jobID="234306898" installerID="1801683792" installerName="reygar burnt" facilityID="60001357" solarSystemID="30003396" solarSystemName="Maturat" stationID="60001357" activityID="1" blueprintID="1015601865773" blueprintTypeID="2457" blueprintTypeName="Hobgoblin II Blueprint" blueprintLocationID="155045100" outputLocationID="155045100" runs="10" cost="26479.00" teamID="0" licensedRuns="10" probability="1" productTypeID="2456" productTypeName="Hobgoblin II" status="101" timeInSeconds="9792" startDate="2014-08-18 04:01:11" endDate="2014-08-18 06:44:23" pauseDate="0001-01-01 00:00:00" completedDate="2014-09-18 01:40:41" completedCharacterID="1801683792"/)
(row jobID="234306853" installerID="1801683792" installerName="reygar burnt" facilityID="60001357" solarSystemID="30003396" solarSystemName="Maturat" stationID="60001357" activityID="1" blueprintID="1009522163792" blueprintTypeID="17329" blueprintTypeName="Ion Thruster Blueprint" blueprintLocationID="155045100" outputLocationID="155045100" runs="200" cost="60909.00" teamID="0" licensedRuns="4000" probability="1" productTypeID="11531" productTypeName="Ion Thruster" status="101" timeInSeconds="20400" startDate="2014-08-18 04:00:37" endDate="2014-08-18 09:40:37" pauseDate="0001-01-01 00:00:00" completedDate="201




Welp... will review on Monday. Sorry! Not sure what I have done broke. :(

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Ducian
Zero Effect Industries
#51 - 2014-11-02 17:21:33 UTC
Could we have the Blueprint data in a sensible data format?

YAML is just a bit pony, some nice XML with a proper XSD would be sweet...
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2014-11-03 11:25:42 UTC
salacious necrosis wrote:
salacious necrosis wrote:
Are the XML API changes already up on SiSi?

Thanks!


Bump. Just checked SiSi today and it looks like the new "successfulRuns" isn't in IndustryJobs or IndustryJobsHistory yet. Just curious if this is still planned for Phoebe, or maybe saved for a future release.


Should be there now. Somehow Sisi got reverted to an old version of the API... not sure how/why.

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salacious necrosis
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-11-03 12:35:48 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
salacious necrosis wrote:
salacious necrosis wrote:
Are the XML API changes already up on SiSi?

Thanks!


Bump. Just checked SiSi today and it looks like the new "successfulRuns" isn't in IndustryJobs or IndustryJobsHistory yet. Just curious if this is still planned for Phoebe, or maybe saved for a future release.


Should be there now. Somehow Sisi got reverted to an old version of the API... not sure how/why.


Much appreciated. Thanks!

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