EVE General Discussion

In the context of the post you can still play class x in Talisman.

Your last sentence shows you are only inclusive if they abide by your rules.

Any free thinking, and you think it gives you the right to act like you said.



Question...do you go out of your way to target naive people as friends so you can take advantage of them and tell them its for their own good?

Yes, but notably only because I kick out the petty, whiny, wanna be fascists like you.

If they don't want Class X, then they can go play a different game.

That's the whole point. If you don't want PvP, go play Star Trek Online then.



No, by THE RULES OF THE FREAKING GAME. Not my rules, the literal rules of the game that literally everyone else has agreed to play by.

You know, instead of trying to change the literal rules to benefit themselves?

Get it yet?




I expect people to read the rules of a game they agreed to play.

If those rules, as Diplomacy does for example, and as Talisman does if you play certain classes, permit you to "steal" or "trick" other players, that is quite literally part of the game.

If this is a deal breaker for them, then they shouldn't sit down at the table in the first place.

Snip. Please refrain from insults and personal attacks - ISD Atomic Dove

So much this. In fact, the entire post. EDIT: Highlighted the important bit


That feels very much like a backhanded compliment. Or something not nice. :/

Idk man, I understand that CCP needs money to function and that comes from subscriptions and obviously by this change they believe this is the best choice to make... but still.

As an idea for a compromise, I do like the corp aggro on/off setting, functioning very similar to tax settings as in it's visible to all and you get a notification when it changes.

If we had this halfway measure my corp would probably just have aggro on all the time because well.... it seems natural to us, we're aware of the risks/ instabilities of recruiting (Hell I was told that at some point you'll recruit a theif or awoxxer, and you'll have to deal with it that you were the one who made that call) and.... I guess we feel if you're a person who is driven away from the game by awoxxing, or a CEO of a corporation that would crumble from a single awoxxer, EvE probably isn't the right game for you.

Something else. People have thrown around ideas of CEO's wanting to 'show the ropes' to people but can't because 'awoxxers'... this actual example hasn't been developed very much beyond "they'd quit next week from being wardecced".

Another peeve is how by making this change, awoxxing turns into suicide ganking. Noone's really said much on this point, so here's my interpretation of it.
Suicide ganking is fairly.... simple. You have your ganksquad ready, maybe a scout somewhere - I'd imagine the setup differs between ganking mining barges, ganking freighters, or ganking mission runners. But it's fairly... uniform. Show up, blow the target, leave.

What little insight I've had into awoxxing feels much more....personal. Infiltrating the corp, gaining the trust of corp-mates, evaluating marks - before moving onto the actual awox/ransom itself. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'm willing to argue that many awoxxers don't reallly care about the isk efficiency that much - they'd enjoy the (somewhat unusual) social interactions of the entire process, much in the same way I spend most time online chatting to corpmates and on teamspeak, laughing about stories like that one time I pretended to be gay and....

Moving on. Basically I feel there is a much larger difference between awoxxing and suicide ganking than "You don't lose your ship"


I know it's not very persuasive of me to reference my own diplomat but still, if a person who's been involved in recruitment/help channels and guiding players through their early stages of the game says that it's very rare for a person to un-sub specifically from awoxxes, I don't think we're giving rookies the credit they deserve.

I feel the characterizations being made on this topic are very.... simple and unrealistic.


On a final note, I find it funny that I'm on the same side of this argument as A) CODE and B) Goonswarm, Parties that I normally couldn't care less for.


tl;dr
random waffle
If you do go through with this change, enable it as a corp setting.

The corp shouldn't have anything worth awoxing in it then. You don't need golems or orcas in corp to train new players.

Preferably, you set up a separate corp in the alliance with the blingy ships.

Forty pages for this little thing, and there's a long list of little things left to fix. Good times indeed for those of us that like forum drama.

The real fun, though, is when CCP tackles the big things. Now that's what makes being a card carrying member of the forum alt club worth the years invested in this place.

Let me just say right now that my life would be a little less fulfilling if all the forumites that threaten to quit in virtually every thread actually did. But we know that will never happen. And I thank my maker every day for that.

Mr Epeen

Yeah.... I think one reason there's a large furore over this is, since both sides see it as 'trivial', they think "oh it doesn't matter much, it's a small change, and don't see why the other side would argue it - just accept it and move on.

Except both sides have this. And since it's been the source of a 40-page..... um...... 'thread', maybe it isn't such a little thing.
But yes, my first reaction was "huh? They're doing [i]this[i/] of all things?"

So, personally I feel CCP's barking up the wrong tree but... I could be wrong.

lol....many of the pro awoxxers all moved over to this thread to be inclusive and hijack another thread to talk amongst themselves about something that was never said. (removing awoxxing)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381122&find=unread

I'm not an awoxxer and pvper but I'm against an additional nerf to liberties and in-game risk/danger.
The sandbox loses more and more grains over the time...

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The next update will be space FEMA camps for the 'ebil' players...

This is the hero that high-sec needs.

Here in EvE Forums it shure is: It is even more agressive then certain Battlefield forums. When games are about fights, the forum "tone" is harsher.

I have similar thoughts on the title "carebear". What is a carebear? If i follow those arguments, i come to conclusion, that especially people who call other people carebear, are most often carebears themselfes. And i didn't see one exception till now.
As it is, its a title for your opponent "the others", "the enemy".
Its just just for taunting.
So yes, we are alll carebears. Not in the sense of "nice cudly bears" but people who like to get something the usual easy or at least known way.

Compared to the Jump changes, this change is nothing. In the early years awoxing was an art and unique but that withered. The people who where hit the hardest, are the beginners. Seniors knew the dangers and how to deal with it.
So why keep that mechanic.
Awoxing is nothing special anymore and the only targets are beginners. So the pro-awoxers basically insist on the possibilty to punish NewBros without RISK. That sounds *very* carebear for me.