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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2014-10-30 23:28:44 UTC
historically, asymmetry has been one thing. but current opinions can be something totally different. or the same.

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Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-10-31 00:18:46 UTC
Hands off my space potato!

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2014-10-31 07:51:39 UTC
Pestilen, your ire is misdirected. The issues are ones that are endemic to computing. not EVE art teams' skill or work ethic.

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CCP BunnyVirus
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#44 - 2014-10-31 09:49:25 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Bunnyvirus, what are the popular opinions among the art team(s) regarding ship symmetry, and station symmetry?



we don't have a popular opinion

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2014-10-31 09:57:14 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#46 - 2014-10-31 10:00:54 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Bunnyvirus, what are the popular opinions among the art team(s) regarding ship symmetry, and station symmetry?



we don't have a popular opinion

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2014-10-31 10:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I agree with asymmetry of onboard systems, like telemetry and sensors... antennae and cameras.

a good example of tasteful asymmetry is the nose of the Apache. The Aeon, especially next to the Nyx... i dunno. but changes like the scorpion and the condor are reassuring..

hoping the blackbird is nice and sexy too.

the pontoons on the wings of the moa were a little off-putting.

2c.

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Panda McLegion
#48 - 2014-10-31 12:54:20 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Bunnyvirus, what are the popular opinions among the art team(s) regarding ship symmetry, and station symmetry?



we don't have a popular opinion


What about unpopular opinions?

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#49 - 2014-10-31 13:13:00 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Bunnyvirus, what are the popular opinions among the art team(s) regarding ship symmetry, and station symmetry?



we don't have a popular opinion


What about unpopular opinions?


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Notorious Fellon
#50 - 2014-10-31 14:42:39 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
JoveBishop wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Mitsurugii wrote:
I've often thought when they release a new model for an existing ship it should apply only to new builds onwards. That way old models would gain value and collectibility. When they remodel your ford car your old one doesn't automatically upgrade, and old models become sought after classics. I know 'databases etc yadda' .....would be cool though?



and it would be a performance nightmare if we would do that



I am calling shennannigans here. If your rendering engine sucks that bad, maybe it needs some work.

Your scene polygon count can't possibly be very high. Textures? No.

Having a few more *potential* models and textures to load into the rendering pipeline for a given gate/jump doesn't change hardly anything. It would only increase video card and/or cpu load if both models were present on the screen. If this isn't true for your engine, fix the root of the issue.


Polycount isn't a issue these days.
Drawcalls are and textures are a ***** in this matter.


ping pong we have a winner but its not only that, it`s maintaining every asset what would eat our time too



I would believe this *IF* other products on the market were not displaying 10X the graphics complexity right now.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#51 - 2014-10-31 15:20:36 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:

I would believe this *IF* other products on the market were not displaying 10X the graphics complexity right now.


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#52 - 2014-10-31 16:31:54 UTC
Millennium Falcon is asymmetrical, and it looks awesome. The Basilisk and old Moa... not so much. I was hoping for the Moa/Gila to retain a little bit of it's asymmetrical junkyness though. So I could still feel like I'm flying a bit of an old heap, like the Millennium Falcon. It turned out rather sleek. And too bird-like. EVE already has way too many ships that resemble birds too much. bok bok

There is also symmetry along a different axis, like the catalyst or B-Wing. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that.

Overall I think asymmetry can be very attractive, but it is also harder to pull off compared to symmetrical designs. Asymmetrical designs in EVE either go too funky with it like the Basilisk, or are too restrained with it. You can hardly notice the asymmetry on the Vexor for example, so it kind of looks like a mistake, they might as well make it totally symmetrical.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2014-10-31 19:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Millennium Falcon is only slightly asymmetrical, and mainly for the cockpit, like steering wheels on the left side (which is the right side).


MFW the Millennium Falcon is euro spec.


Bunnyvirus, do you lot use the foundry suite of things... Nuke, Mari, etc.

I've started an introductory Maya course, among other art courses. This is you know, the best I got right now for space ships, posting for your amusement. I made pew pew noises and imagined it was an updated cormorant.

http://i.imgur.com/h0blagt.jpg

it's not great, but swords were last week, and primitives was just a couple weeks before that. I have a habit of using Tri's and I'm sure I've missed an Ngon or two.

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JoveBishop
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-10-31 23:36:08 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Millennium Falcon is only slightly asymmetrical, and mainly for the cockpit, like steering wheels on the left side (which is the right side).


MFW the Millennium Falcon is euro spec.


Bunnyvirus, do you lot use the foundry suite of things... Nuke, Mari, etc.

I've started an introductory Maya course, among other art courses. This is you know, the best I got right now for space ships, posting for your amusement. I made pew pew noises and imagined it was an updated cormorant.

http://i.imgur.com/h0blagt.jpg

it's not great, but swords were last week, and primitives was just a couple weeks before that. I have a habit of using Tri's and I'm sure I've missed an Ngon or two.


Subdivide it / add edge loops or crease edges and will look ok.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2014-10-31 23:48:29 UTC
crease edges... is that like replacing edges with a surface (thin face)? edges strike me as harsh, and something tells me edges are a bit sloppy.

and subdividing, is that just for more control over the forms?

I'll keep an eye out for those terms, I'm about to attempt a sentinel from The Matrix as my 5 week project. the prof showed us how to repeat geometry along a curve, both with the extrude tool and also using animation snapshots. I'm excited.

I'm totally in love with 3D at the moment, actually. professionals in the field are pretty much my heroes right now.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2014-11-01 00:02:26 UTC
DingieSan wrote:
Where is the gfx update for the Dominix. Seriously CCP, one of the more popular ships deserves your proposed graphics updates a long time ago.
Honestly I think CCP is not able to pull it of.…


Seriously, what is with the constant and open bashing of CCP around here? You ask a legitimate question which a lot of us have been wondering, only to follow it up by some sort of insult or lack of faith or whatever you want to call it. Not very nice in any case.

Try being nice and understanding instead of acting like a spoiled little brat. As a gaming community we are blessed with an involved developer like CCP. But only very few people seem to actually appreciate this. Cut them some slack, it's not like they are withholding this content for the sake of being evil...

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2014-11-01 00:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
that's an easy one. some people see negativity over certain things, and assume it means that's the popular thing to do.

edit: ok, ok, honesty time. it could also be the fact that devs are not exempt from being forum PVP'd.

really wish they would take the opportunity to come back with something witty, like Falcon does. They're in power after all.

but not snarky like greyscale's dev feedback.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#58 - 2014-11-01 00:45:46 UTC
Still waiting for my shiny chrome flying saucer with death rays and abduction beams.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2014-11-01 00:50:54 UTC
still waiting for the hottest space barbie ever

...to go out for dinner and a holoreel with me again.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#60 - 2014-11-01 00:53:10 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
still waiting for the hottest space barbie ever

...to go out for dinner and a holoreel with me again.


I don't suppose that's me now is it? Blink

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