Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What if your target has High EM/Thermal resist? Lasers do less DPS
What if your target has High Kin/Therm Resists? Hybrids do less DPS
What if your target has High Explosive Resists? Projectile Changes ammo.

What if your target is neuting you? Lasers and Hybrids may turn off. Projectiles Stay on.

What if your being tracking disrupted, webbed, pointed, Jammed? Your ****** anyways.

Autos are fine, you just seem to want the ships changed.

I used to be a lot of things but Eve became really dull - Part of the reason I am ecstatic for the Jump Drive changes.

However I do know that autos got a nerf bat to them - because they needed it. But everyone still looks at it like "This is not strong enough". Could they use a buff? Maybe slightly, but the Pros heavily out weigh the cons. A weapon system has it's niche uses and needs a complementing fitting. Because of the lack of cap usage you have a surplus you can use for active tacking or EWAR, which is a lot harder to do on Cap using weapon ships.

Because of the changes, people are not using Minmatar and auto-cannons as much as it used to be - heavily dominating the PVP sector. Since they are less effective now than they used to be, other ships are becoming more popular. THIS IS A GOOD THING.

AC suffered a lot for the same reason HML did - a few awesome hulls gave them a bad repution. Then the hulls got nerfed later anyway and the guns left in the dust.

so options could be

- 5% ROF
- reduced reload time .. in the region of 3-6 seconds

Or just give them a 20% falloff bonus across the board. Mediums at the very least.

A falloff buff is waht is needed alongsdie a slight tracking buff. . So that the AC are better than Blasters at border of their range (adn that envelope grows in size, because right now when it exists is 1-2 km) and trhe trackign make them better than lasers at point blank.

How much falloff? Just you need that the tempest OUTDPS the megatron over some 16-18 km. The equivalent for the rupture and thorax ( rupture must outdps the thorax just over 9km (scram range) .

Notice that this is stil an extreme scenario where ships with 2 damage bonuses must get on a quite defined range to have a chance agasint blaster ships tha use only 1 of their bonuses to deal damage.



Without that, there is NO reason at all to use AC, because blasters with null simply make them non viable.

BTW, I called that this woudl happend when ccp announced the OVERDONE blaster buff.

by the time you switch ammo you are ****** anyway. it's not like minmatar ships shines for their impressive tanks except some active tank bonused ships (half of them use missiles anyway) most of the time you are better off loading phased plasma because its the only ammo that give you flexibility against both armor and shield and guess what other what other weapon system deal kin/th damage but in even more balanced way.

minmatar weapons always sucked hard (except for when they were just rebalanced), the strength of minmatar race always been their fast and agile hulls which kinda compensated for the crappy weaponry, but since CCP it's on a crusade to nerf every single minmatar ship to the point amarr ships have less mass than minmatar that's no longer true.
at the moment the only reason to fly minmatar is because it's the only race you have trained for, if you have over 100M sp on subcaps and can fly pretty much any ship in the game with same skills you will pretty much always find a ship that do the job better than a minmatar ship.

Null ammo seems a bit overpowered. A blaster loaded with null would generally be considered to have a longer effective range than an autocannon loaded with T1 short range ammo, while also having very significantly higher DPS and only marginally worse tracking. If the autocannon then loads Barrage, it does not gain much range but loses even more DPS and also loses that tracking margin. Barrage does not give a large enough range bonus, and either one should probably have a stronger reduction to tracking.


Autocannons have a bit less tracking than blasters by simple numbers, but they also have more range. Small autocannons only win by a little bit, but medium and especially large autocannons have a pretty good effective range margin over blasters when you are willing to take advantage of that falloff. Autocannons tend to get even less than the listed DPS due to generally firing in falloff, but it comes with the advantage of having excellent tracking for the range, allowing a lot of comfort in the shorter ranges for making sure hits get scored. In that way, they are sort of between missiles and regular turrets because it is harder to completely avoid damage from autocannon fire. I would give autocannons the award for fastest tracking weapon by virtue of their falloff.

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It is also difficult to balance weapons when the different sizes are all jacked up and line up differently. For instance, small blasters have almost as much range as 200mm autocannons, while 800mm autocannons have nearly double the range of large blasters. Also, small pulse lasers have the highest DPS of the similar three, followed by autocannons, with beam lasers being marginally underneath. On medium turrets, it is actually the beam lasers which have the highest DPS, followed by pulse lasers, leaving autocannons in the rear. On large turrets, pulse lasers are once again on top, with beam lasers a close second and autocannons once again being the weakest.

I feel that pulse lasers and autocannons should have comparable DPS at all levels, as that will still leave pulse lasers hitting harder when they are hitting due to their heavy use of optimal range with much less falloff. Beam lasers should have at least a little less DPS than either one. I can vouch with out a doubt that medium beam lasers are overpowered. I was playing around with them for the first time and discovered that they were the dream turret I had been searching for for years now. They have excellent, dare I say incredible damage projection at quite substantial ranges, with very comfortable tracking considering the range. I was using them on a Prophecy, which has a drone damage bonus but does not have any laser bonuses. Yet I was pretty much ignoring my drones in favor of the more impressive beam lasers I had mounted. Even just 4 of them were doing quite a bit of damage. After that experience, I got a Zealot and found I rather liked it.

There are basically 2 grps of people posting here:

1. people who take hulls and ammo into account (and prob have flew them at some point)
because when you talk about AC's you have to talk about 2 diffent scenarios:

• AC's with "high damage" ammo which is the only tech 1 ammo you can use because if you use anything else you gimp your dmg so hard you just could self destruct and save the time so you should call it "normal damage ammo"
BUT then you have those range penaltys so the normal acs does not have the paper range but a the reduced range

• AC's with barrage have "huge range " less and non-selectable dmg and nerfed tracking

2. people who look at the guns and throw in all good things about the guns even if you cant have those at the same time.

Projectile guns are sup par or allmost useless
the worst beeing medium size

imho CCP made mistakes when the rebalanced medium guns
IF they hade made medium artys a effective kiteing weapon they could have put acs is a spot where they were:
-less dmg than blasters
-less tracking than blasters
-a better range profile than blasters
meaning they do more dmg at some point in falloff heres important that both waepons are viable in longpoint range! lets say blasters up to 10-13km (scram) while acs maintain meaningfull dps to 20 km longpoint and medium artys beeing viable from 18+km

more of a need too nerf drones a little i think .. especially the combo of drones+ missiles/blasters ..
for instance you can setup a myrmidon or gila too do more dps than a brutix .. doesn't seem right too me at all