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Dev blog t3 sub system balancing

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Winthorp
#21 - 2014-10-31 12:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Angie Chatter wrote:
Winthorp wrote:

And then there are those of us that literally bought many of the **** subsystems up ages ago when builders were selling them below build costs to store for the inevitable T3 re balance (Wasn't expecting them to become more valuable in these changes but **** yeah will take it anyway).

I did read the devblog today while at work and was unable to log in to stop selling my current T3 hulls. I sold 60 or so and while i still made a profit on them not as much as i could have...


yeah i was surprised that even 30mins after the devblog i was able to buy many subs and materials at normal rates, i guess not many know the inner workings of T3 production or where still at work, asleep :)

I'm still surprised that no one bought out acid, given the 250% increase in the BOM for hulls, but maybe they all invested every liquid isk in subs and ribbons :p


The Polymers while they will increase they are still made by a great many people and the price doesn't fluctuate at all really and the buy orders always get filled with little competition so i guess people don't see that they will increase a lot considering a T3 hull doesn't use a lot of Polymers compared to the MNR's they use.
Angie Chatter
#22 - 2014-10-31 12:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Angie Chatter
Winthorp wrote:

The Polymers while they will increase they are still made by a great many people and the price doesn't fluctuate at all really and the buy orders always get filled with little competition so i guess people don't see that they will increase a lot considering a T3 hull doesn't use a lot of Polymers compared to the MNR's they use.


Thats true for the cheap Polymers, but acid and carbon-86 where already easy to speculate and manipulate. I have no clue if WH production can just switch to them if the price goes up and increase production by 200%?
If they can not increase production by 150-200% than demand will outstrip supply rather quickly, compared to those 2 materials MNR will only see a slightly increase of ~20% in the BOM. So i expect MNR to settle around 4.5-5m in a couple of weeks, but i have really no clue where acid and carbon-86 will be, since i lack the knowledge on how the supply comes about.

Ofc i also have no clue how much demand of T3's where generated from nullsec and what happens if those blocs switch to T2 hulls instead.
Winthorp
#23 - 2014-10-31 12:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Angie Chatter wrote:
Winthorp wrote:

The Polymers while they will increase they are still made by a great many people and the price doesn't fluctuate at all really and the buy orders always get filled with little competition so i guess people don't see that they will increase a lot considering a T3 hull doesn't use a lot of Polymers compared to the MNR's they use.


Thats true for the cheap Polymers, but acid and carbon-86 where already easy to speculate and manipulate. I have no clue if WH production can just switch to them if the price goes up and increase production by 200%?
If they can not increase production by 150-200% than demand will outstrip supply rather quickly, compared to those 2 materials MNR will only see a slightly increase of ~20% in the BOM. So i expect MNR to settle around 4.5-5m in a couple of weeks, but i have really no clue where acid and carbon-86 will be, since i lack the knowledge on how the supply comes about.

Ofc i also have no clue how much demand of T3's where generated from nullsec and what happens if those blocs switch to T2 hulls instead.


We will have to agree to disagree on that one as i see a short term very slight spike on the polymers.
Papa Django
Materials Harvesting Kombinat
#24 - 2014-10-31 13:19:59 UTC
Angie Chatter wrote:
[quote=Winthorp]
I have no clue if WH production can just switch to them if the price goes up and increase production by 200%?
If they can not increase production by 150-200% than demand will outstrip supply rather quickly, compared to those 2 materials MNR will only see a slightly increase of ~20% in the BOM. So i expect MNR to settle around 4.5-5m in a couple of weeks, but i have really no clue where acid and carbon-86 will be, since i lack the knowledge on how the supply comes about.


Considering C-540 and C-320 can only be found in high class wh, the production is not scalable indefinitly.

I am stonished that Phoebe was designed for nullsec and is in fact the best wh patch ever Big smile
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#25 - 2014-10-31 13:34:04 UTC
meanwhile mnr in Jita 6-7m. prepare your guns Gents, its gonna be funny winterTwisted
Marox Calendale
Xynodyne
The Initiative.
#26 - 2014-10-31 13:42:24 UTC
Angie Chatter wrote:
Winthorp wrote:

The Polymers while they will increase they are still made by a great many people and the price doesn't fluctuate at all really and the buy orders always get filled with little competition so i guess people don't see that they will increase a lot considering a T3 hull doesn't use a lot of Polymers compared to the MNR's they use.


Thats true for the cheap Polymers, but acid and carbon-86 where already easy to speculate and manipulate. I have no clue if WH production can just switch to them if the price goes up and increase production by 200%?
If they can not increase production by 150-200% than demand will outstrip supply rather quickly, compared to those 2 materials MNR will only see a slightly increase of ~20% in the BOM. So i expect MNR to settle around 4.5-5m in a couple of weeks, but i have really no clue where acid and carbon-86 will be, since i lack the knowledge on how the supply comes about.

Ofc i also have no clue how much demand of T3's where generated from nullsec and what happens if those blocs switch to T2 hulls instead.

C32 Prices (needed for carbon 86) have already raised up by nearly 100%. I´m not sure if this is just speculations or will stay like this for a longer period.
Levina Windstar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-10-31 14:24:52 UTC
Papa Django wrote:


I am stonished that Phoebe was designed for nullsec and is in fact the best wh patch ever Big smile


Amen to bob! Big smile

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... and sometimes when I talk, too" --- Solecist Project
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#28 - 2014-10-31 14:26:15 UTC
Figure this, production cost is going up, t3 destroyers are coming out. The assumption is that they'll use lower end wormhole components (stuff from c1 through c4). Everything is about to go up to rediculous prices.

That's fine by us.

Yaay!!!!
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#29 - 2014-10-31 15:22:41 UTC
This announcement is more +ISK on its own than all those buffs to lowclass space will add up to.

Well played CCP, ♥ u
Mera Mercury
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#30 - 2014-11-01 04:45:24 UTC
Did someone buy out all the t3 subsystems? or this ccp's doing?
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#31 - 2014-11-01 04:52:28 UTC
It will be good to see low lvl WH income increase. its been tanking for the past 2 years.

Also glad i bought a few hundred subs before the latest announcement.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#32 - 2014-11-01 10:05:40 UTC
Mera Mercury wrote:
Did someone buy out all the t3 subsystems? or this ccp's doing?



Speculators are hording to sell come patch day for 3 times the price.

Yaay!!!!
Angie Chatter
#33 - 2014-11-01 10:30:57 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Mera Mercury wrote:
Did someone buy out all the t3 subsystems? or this ccp's doing?

Speculators are hording to sell come patch day for 3 times the price.


They already start selling, since the market is low on stock and already nearly adjusted to the new price at around 40-60m. I guess buyers are also wise to buy there subsystem stock in the next weeks, while the old stock + hold back pre-Phoebe production is sold off and competition starts to kick in based on the old price.
There are not enough MNR to build extreme huge stocks that lasts months, so after the old stock did run out prices will adjust even higher, depending on the new MNR, carbon and acid price.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#34 - 2014-11-01 14:31:52 UTC
I do admit, I doubled my ISK on a few Tengu hulls yesterday after cleaning Amarr out of everything sub 320M. No one's speculating, oh no. No one is holding back supply of MNR's, gas, poop, crap components.

Traffic is up. I even think some people are in c2's with herons ahead of patch to start accessing the nullsec relic and data sites. I've come prepared for that, Santo style.

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