Wormholes

ok let me clarify it a bit. first of all its not related no HK/EXP official politic, its my own opinion.
corbexx im glad that u pointed me this question.
When i was in BU i heard about some kind of this ideas, but as long as ive never been interested in any kind of politics stuff, or serious bznz movements, and ive never been in management level of any Eve online organisation, i didnt pay attention, so im most probably far from real ideas and purposes of this ally, but as MaxDel mentioned above its prolly just a bunch of indy/carebears trying to find their place in this wild space, and as long as my general income is from trading/hauling stuff im not against this kind of peeps, most probably opposite (if they sell stuff cheap ofc^^)
but lets back to subj.
should they be evicted? Dont think that comparisions between no-name carebearing ally and NoHo are well placed, there is not so much common things.. i see only that they are ally and they live in w-space. Thats all, but if u want to know my personal opinion, no, they should not be evicted. Not becouse they are "just indy carebears" who wanna play game safe and blablabla, not cose of that. They should not be evicted only becouse they dont chestbeating themselves "omfg top pvp ally" while farming red crosses 90% of the time (i dont care what u guys do, and dont think im greedy for stuff)
You are good at forumes(NoHo), awesome with public relations, and i have to admit im personally very impressed what u do as CSM, but srsly guys, your reaction at our attack is quite....like 12yo bully kid who didnt loose his nose just by chance start to chestbeating-hey look, im fck awesome.
Yes we lost the fight, we did some mistakes, u won it, u did good job, but this **** wave here/at fhc is just a prove, that u are stronger with killing red crosses and forum pvp than with big balls PvP stuff.
Take your time, carebear another bunch of capitals, ask your muppets to help and they will come, but as long as you call yourself main wh pvp entity while being biggest carebears u cant be safe, we will come and kill you all, just because u cant seat on two chairs. One is for Us.

ps: corbexx, i see that you personally want to bring content to w-space, and thats good thing, i like it, but the problem is, your ally and muppetos company wants opposite. chilly jewy paradise and this is not good thing.

How can you say it is not your alliance when the founder of the executor corp is QEX? Are your really going to say they are not paying you protection ISK?

You say that NoHo chestbeats about stuff, have you seen qex corp description?
So because they don't use alt corps for bearing they are 'evil carrybears' ?
Do I need to start listing all qex carrybear alt corps?
You guys are the cancer of WH space, and you dont even know it, because you probably believe in the crap you are saying.
The only reason you tried evicting NoHo is because they are the biggest threat to the whole 'WH renting' idea you guys had, just admit it for once please and stop with the nonsense crap about 'evil carrybears with an agenda'.

i dont know a lot about EXP renting ideas, if some1 buy something there is some1 to sell it, i dont count money in others pockets, have no idea why other do so, and if we start about cancer, for me forum alts are the bigger cancer than some ingame dudes...

Lots of interesting perspectives in this thread. There seems to be a valid counter argument for every position.

I don't see a problem with evictions to take over a hole. They have something you want and taking it, or trying to, is part of the game. Evicting a group because they won't give your fleet of t3's and command ships a fight at a player ratio of 10:1 does not create content. It's an ******* thing to do.

And along the same lines that 40 man blob of assholes who will attempt to evict you for not sacrificing your ships and pods to them turns tail and runs when a fleet 1/3 of the size using, ishtars, t3's, guardians, and a bhaal or neut geddon jump in on them. It seems most fleets/corps that want to force pointless troll evictions are the ones only interested in fights overwhelmingly in their favor.

On the subject of C6 renters I think it's ****** to do this to wspace and i hope it fails miserably.

tl;dr - No reason needed for evictions. Evictions are content. Content is good.

Agree with Incindir that evictions are simply evictions. The reasoning behind them is the entertainment. I have never been against evictions, personally, been involved in many, led a few, been at the receiving end of two. They can be fun, and people can hate the grind, but chillin for hours with friends, when you actually have a reason or goal in mind, can be a fun time. Really what it comes down to is the crew you are playing the game with...

Evictions are content, like many other things you can do in the game: scamming, thefts, espionage, diplomacy, every form of player v. player interaction. Randoms that say they have a problem with "chest-thumping" or are for the "e-bushido" stuff are bads. The call-out threads, the trolling, and all the trimmings are what make the forums and PVP more entertaining. Nearly every group or individual that complains of it has done it, and if you think you haven't, you're likely full of sh-t.

Hidden and Co's attempt on NoHo was entertaining from an oberservers perspective, and clearly from parties involved's perspective, and I don't fault them at all for giving it a shot. I also don't think for a second that had they succeeded, that NoHo would tuck tail and leave wormholes, just like Adhocracy will definitely return in some form. They provided content with NoHo, James and friends provided content with Adhoc, and those of us on the sidelines that watched this go down were provided with content at the meta level. People complaining about evictions being bad are ignorant. This is a game, and like in a game of Risk, I'm not going to be nice and friendly to keep a status-quo. I'm going to burn down all of my opponents to win (a game), if I can.

I think that, as said already, people should have fun with evictions and all player content for that matter. There should be no need for justifying anything. When Blued Union came for RCC, there was little reservation privately and publicly. Lhawks stated that they didn't like our alliance, members stated they didn't like RCC's gameplay and some members, just as groups have disliked other groups since the inception of wormhole politics. If someone doesn't like someone, that is justification enough to evict; if someone just feels like it, it's justification enough to evict. I don't see the call-out threads and political drama that spills onto the forums as "cesspool" material, and if people don't want to read it, you don't have to, but for some it's far more interesting than reading about someone's question about industry in a lower class wormhole or "WTB/WTS J-whatever"...

tl;dr - No reason needed for evictions. Evictions are content. Content is good.