EVE General Discussion

I am confused by the apparent self-contradiction here. If the risk of awoxing to a highsec corp "is negligible" as you say, why then do you think that awoxing is "a huge contributor to many decent corps having security policies which exclude newer players"? If awoxing (that is CONCORD-free violence against corpmates) poses such little risk, what makes you think that highsec corps will change their behaviour and start taking in newbies after awoxing is removed?

Certainly the other risks of inviting an enemy into your corp will still exist even if CONCORD now protects you, so new players will still be excluded, no?

What they find unreasonable is probably the rules being different while you are in a corp and those difference not being shown properly. The very same reason in the end for the creation of crimewatch 2.0 because the first one was an absolute nightmare of ifs and buts put together which permitted some wild play to be done that no newbie could ever hope to understand why it works that way.

The decision was probably between finding a good way to illustrate the law change once you are a member of a player corp and changing crimewatch. The second option was probably chosen because it was much simpler and CCP could not figure a way to show in an acceptable way (for them, not us) how the rules were different once you joined a corp.

They haven't leapt to giving out stats before, so why would they do so now? It's clear that it's an issue they are aware of, so I'm fairly sure it's no guess.

And what ad hominem attacks? CODE kill people in untanked mining barges. Most of those people are solo players and many of them relatively new. The players CODE generally don't attack are huge fleets of highly tanked mining barges. This means that it's a fact that CODE are supporting botters by attacking the people that would compete with botters and play in a way which is not botlike, and not attackign botters. I'm sorry if you were not aware of what your group really stood for when you look past the propaganda, but it's not an attack and not a false claim.

And there was a reason it was changed - because people simply harassed other people by constantly wardeccing them when they stood no change of defending themselves, making it pointless to create corps with players that undock. 2m to effectively switch off concord was way too low. Most of the aggressors might have agreed it was awesome, being super cheap PvP against easy targets, but most of thsoe target probably didn't.

For a group of several hundred people that's nothing. Not to mention that some of their wars are paid for by people outside of their corps, and the amount of isk you can make from looting the wrecks is phenomenal. Don't make out that these types of groups are hard done by, because that's utter nonsense.

And again, all that would do is create hundreds of solo corps, and making a bunch of people quit, since they can't play the game they want because your playstyle is being catered to over theirs. It's a sandbox game, where you can play how you want, not where everybody else has to do what you want.

All MMO companies are twitchy about releasing retention-related figures (due to competitive analysis, I assume).



CODE kill botfleets too.

Post with your main, so we can kick his ass.

That might have been true at some point but EvE evolving may need a different approach.

This is highsec pubbie levels of tinfoil man what the hell have you been smoking?

OMG the mission forum...

I'll have a good and long peak at that one...........

Well in 6 months it probably won;t be in, but 6 months from deployment of the change, sure. Not that it will be abel to be proven one way or the other, but I tend to believe common sense and CCP over people like you posting on the forums, so I'm pretty confident it would be a positive change.

Clearly you don;t understand me at all, since I'm not at all a "bleeding heart" type. I'm just realistic about how much crap you can expect the average player to go through to play a goddamn video game. I know, you want people to come in, get massacred repeatedly, abused, scammed, insulted, attacked and destroyed at every turn, so the only people that make it through are the most hardcore. That's just not a realistic way to approach pushing out a form of entertainment.

Yes, you could tank npc police and concord, but there was also considerably less people wanting you dead before. As the game has matured, more vet players have been settling into positions where they attack anyone and everyone, in highsec of all places. While the mechanics have softened up a little, the players haven't.

I do find it funny that you accuse me of lying while you are screeching along talking about the removal of corp aggression as if it's the removal of PvP entirely from the game. One day when you understand that changes are of varying degrees and that not everything is totally PvP or totally carebear, come back and let us know. Until then, just quiet up and let rational individuals take the floor.