EVE General Discussion

No, removing that is a small thing and the risc for this rather small outcry was taken.

Check the devblogs and the release cadence:
EvE has moved to No1 place again for CCP, since it is their best money source.
At this time CCP might change more thing in shorter time than in the years before.

Its not an easy path to follow to keep old customers and get more new customers. Some of the worst griefs will be toned down and other incentives will be created. It is a try to create more "fun" and less "tears".
Thats mostly bad for people feeding of "schadenfreude".

So we agree that will not stop people leaving, cool.

Okay next point, will this small change really make people leave their NPC Corps and join Player Corps?

Personally I think it will make very little difference because people will blame War Decs or Corp Thefts, then what?

Bye then. If the ability to shoot confused noobies without getting concorded is the "single part of this game that keeps [you] playing", then perhaps the game will be better off without you.

Them toddlers can be dangerous in large numbers. Sometimes you need a fire hose.

The problem has nothing to do with AWOXing (though restricting it could help a little IMO) or other corporation shenanigans.

I know what the problem is but it would be off topic to this thread. And once you see it, it's so stultifying and draining it become hard to log in and Eve becomes like an estranged wife that demands attention and you bask in not giving her any.

No, what they added was NPC and anoms in lowsec which some people then fought over. This encourages players to move together an interact. Currently corp aggression mechanics push people away, both members and CEOs who legitimately want to help show newbies the ropes. The removal of that will help bring people into corps where they can learn how to actually play EVE with others, not just get ganked and laughed at by some asshat who's too scared to go fight actual combat driven players.


I guess "forever" would be the answer to this since it's absolute bullcrap. whether you like it or not this will help newbie retention. You can kick and scream about how everyone joining EVE should enter the game as a hardened battle veteran all you want, but it won't change the fact that a lot of people quit because rather than show them how to play eve a lot of the scum in this game prey on them as easy targets and force them out of the game before they get a chance to figure out that they like it.

When you joined (and when I joined) the barriers were naturally lower, since there were far less people trying to ruin your day the moment you made a character. I've played from the perspective of a brand new newbie to see what the NPE was like very recently, and it's considerably tougher now than it was when I arrived.

So it seams the only argument the carebears can bring to the table is the "new players quit because they lose a ship" argument, which is a non issue like many already mentioned. You don't infiltrate a corp for a week to slay a newbie in a Venture just to get kicked, you do it to get the bling mission ship or the Orca of the idiot CEO who screws over the new players, like this brilliant example shows:

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/05/no-easy-awox-part-1.html

Since this is a game, a mechanic like the Safari/Awox does not need to provide some economical benefit or whatsoever, it needs to introduce opportunities for interesting gameplay and that is exactly what it does. Highsec is already safe enough and the corps willing to defend themselves have the tools to do so and are already using them.

This change will only benefit the lazy and risk-averse CEO that will teach the new players that low/null/worm is for people with gazillion of SP and isolate them from the bigger sandbox even more, trap them in a world of boredom and probably make them quit exactly because of that forced isolation.

This is a game about shooting spaceships. The real issue is not that you lose ships, the real issue is that it is frakin boring if you don't interact with other people and lose/blow-up ships. People start in Highsec, people start the game to fly spaceships and shoot other spaceships. You remove option after option to shoot spaceships in the space people start? And you are still surprised that so many quit?

So after this change hits the servers and it becomes apparent to the carebears that this changes nothing, maybe even made it worse and the expected big influx of new players wasn't a reality, will the change be reversed? Or will the carebears like many times before just cry for the next change to make Highsec safer to rescue the "new players" from the part of the game that would actually made it interesting and worthwhile playing?

We can't shoot corpmate in highsec-space anymore without being fleeted, and nothing was lost.

Next it'll be wardecs and corpthefts. This is pathetic.

Lucas, Your hypothetical CEO has no business 'showing newbies the ropes', he sounds awful, somebody who themselves needs to be shown the ropes.







As others have said: People who want to be social and interact already do. Asocial people who want to mine a rock for hours on end or shoot at red crosses without being bothered won't suddenly think "oh, I'm safe from awoxing now, time for me to find a corp and make lots of friends." They see no benefits and still have all the 'downsides' of theft and wardecs.

You know what brought me into this game? The tale of the guiding hand social club heist (and the EIB). When I got bored and was about to quit, you know what kept me engaged? The shenanigans of the New Order. The remove of a mechanic like awoxing just ensures that less content is generated that draws people in and keeps them interested. Nobody has ever joined eve because they heard how engaging the missions are, or how fantastic the mining is. They are awful. I can show a mate the tale of the awox that resulted in the 'code war bride' and get him excited to play.

I did not show him how exciting the carebearing is, because it isn't. EVE cannot compete with WoW as a theme-park. The thing EVE has going for it is exactly this type of content. Awoxing and the like are what is keeping this game afloat. If you want more players, buff this type of content (and fix the damn tutorials and NPE), do not nerf it into oblivion.

As others have said, this change does nothing to move people into real corporations, all it does is largely destroy a playstyle. Don't give the carebears an unappetizing carrot. Give them the stick. Have npc corp's tax affect everything (take the ore directly from their holds). After a month or so move forcibly people from the 'newbie' npc corp into a 'veteran' npc corp that can be wardeced and has awoxing. Do whatever it takes before resorting to the destruction of a playstyle. Nerf it a bit if you must, but to take such a drastic step as this seems very unwise and contrary to everything EVE (everybody vs everybody) stands for.




I truly believe that the best ship in this game is friend-ship. This change will do nothing to help people find a corp and make friends. Fellow capsulers, I invite you to board my friend-ship, it is the only way to defeat the dictator-ship of content destruction that the care-bears and their enablers wish to unleash upon us! We must stand up together and fight for freedom!