EVE General Discussion

You can't be serious. Corp awoxing is almost exclusively documented as being used to grief new players. Obviously awoxing will still happen it just won't obviously happen in high sec so prominantly.

There is nothing stopping you from being a warpin point for suicide gankers.

Or to attack people who abuse the dec dodge exploit, in my case.



And there is nothing about that that requires me to be in their corp to do it. Hell I can do that with a ten hour old cloaked alt and a locator agent.

You think someone will go through the process of infiltrating a corp just to kill a new player in a Venture or something? They are usually after shinny ships of older players like bling mission ships or Orcas. The "new player" argument is absolutely ridiculous and has no basis in reality.

Yeah, pretty much. High-sec PvE is way too rewarding for the investment a carebear puts into their own safety and space (none).

Hello Victoria,


This concept is completely solid and has worked for a lot of games worldwide. And it is called: *drumroll* theme park.
When you want to kill NPCs, you go to a pve area. When you want to grow carrots, you go to a carrot farm and if you want to pvp you go to an arena.
In a sandbox you basically don't do anything else. But you do all of it at once and at the same place. And this creates new activities: Growing carrots while fending off rabbits, slaying boars while avoiding the highwaymen, stealing the crop from carrot farmers, etc.

Now one might ask if these concepts are really mutually exclusive or if you couldn't just have both of them in one game. But if you put little sandboxes and roller coasters next to each other in a game, it technically is a theme park and the little sandboxes just turn into theme park rides themselves. Furthermore the sandboxes will be ignored most of the time, since players will find the specialized rides more suitable for what they primarily want to do.
Picking up my example from above: "Lol, i grew 10 carrots on the farm while you only grew 5 in the woods since the rabbits ate 3 and you had to give 2 of them to a highwayman.", "I got 10 fights in the last hour in the pvp arena while you didn't find anyone to fight running around the forrest.", etc.

My point is: The absence of a game mechanic (specialized rides) can be a game mechanic itself. Diablo wouldn't have been a better game had you had the ability to save/load your progress everywhere. Super Mario wouldn't have been a better game given the option to fly a combat helicopter.


The problem here is that this statement gradually turned into a marketing slogan. I don't think that most players here really love the awoxing mechanic that much and want to protect it at any cost (although it is a unique characteristic of the game).
It is more so that they see its removal as another step in a long list of steps aimed at falsifying the statement. I can only name some, but others might be able to contribute to it:

• concord
• ship insurance
• no ship insurance payout if you get killed by concord
• permabans for teamspeak activities
• dojos [only on the PTS so far]
• tiercide

You're welcome to mine. :-)

Yeah, this is very puzzling. I bet he is only in that goon corp to awox the **** out of them.

Do you even play this game? No one actually does this, even total newbies.

Some would see that as a challenge...or others will just wilt to the challenge.

And in my brief stint being a F1 monkey I saw a corp who use to run them on the regular.

Not sure where you get no one runs them.

But you wouldn't know...you aren't willing to leave hi-sec.

There has been surprisingly little talk about the ACTUAL reason that awoxes are generally not terribly interesting content currently: neutral logi.

Neutral logi currently do not receive a suspect flag for repping an awoxer unless the corporation is coincidentally at war. This leads to a situation where yes, the corp could get neutral logi themselves to even things out but that just results in a boring stalemate where nothing explodes. Neutral logi need to always be vulnerable to attack, and the code path to ensure this already exists, it's the one used when the corporation is at war (yes, the ships do not need to be on opposite sides of the war for this to trigger).

The situation currently is that a day old alt can get into a corp and get completely free reps, remote ECCM, remote sebos, tracking links and fleet boosts (last one's another issue, just mentioning it). Sure, his targets can too, but this creates a situation where the corporation can't really win.

Awoxers generally avoid corps that are at war for precisely this reason. If neutral logi were vulnerable they would be used less, and when they are used they would sometimes die, as would the awoxer.

What we need is the serious potential for success stories where the corporation not only protects its members but kills and pods the awoxer and potentially any logi he brought.

In short, try to FIX awoxing before just outright removing it. The kick queue is part of this, neutral logi is the other part.

I only read the first and 19th (last) page here, but this is what thoughts I've had so far.

From what I could tell, (note I didn't read the minutes fully, only going off summaries / what others have read here) this seems to come down to a clash between new player's expecting a nice easy transition into the game (if this doesn't match your characterizations, use a bit of imagination and flexibility) and the capacity for the game to be full-on brutal in it's sandbox fashion, i.e. awoxxers.

I'll just piece my thoughts together and type them as I go.


Expected benefits are that there will be no more awoxxing or reverse safari-ing - and that's from the perspective of what you'd imagine of a new player. I'd fully imagine there are some people who after being awoxxed or reverse safari'd end up becoming introduced into other areas of the game apart from mining/missioning in a very isolated style way of playing the game. Not to mention awoxxing is also a large part of content for some people. I went and read PsychoticMonk's blog at one stage, not sure what to expect but... damn I found it interesting to read and see a way of playing EvE I've never contemplated.


I joined the game on the advice of a friend and wanted to mine - within a week (or however long) I had a procurer, and then I made a beeline for exhumers. One of my earliest memories is mining with said friend and another corp-mate, I hear a 'pew!' noise, notice I've taken shield damage and see I have this odd new timer - the red one from combat with other players.
"Evana, did you shoot me?!"
"Yep lol! :D"
"How?"
"Drones!"
Not a breath-taking event at all, but it gives me a small smile when I think of it - especially in this context of removing corp-mates being able to shoot eachother.

Over the year I've been playing I can remember similar spontaneous moments of shooting eachother, wether it was two of us seeing who had a better interceptor fit or the CEO undocking in a neut-fit scorpion and five of us in frigates trying to break him.
For a person used to living in low-sec with only a handful of friendlies and wary of everyone else in local, being able to fly back to hisec once in a blue moon and have a random spar with a corp-mate, wether they're three years old or here for 2 months going
"who is this guy and what does he want with me
why the hell did he give me 100mil!?
oh he's gone agian"
Is a refreshing break from the fairly constant vigilance required in lowsec
(I've never been to npc/sov null, I'm aware that watching local/intel in low is nothing like null, all I'm doing is talking from experience, don't need to bring me up on this :P)

Sure you can use duels to re-create this but...... so much of the entertainment to be had from this isn't so much what you're doing but how you're doing it and who with.
If you've just arrived to a snowball fight, you can't really get the sneak-up (and laughs) on anyone if you first have to duel everyone beforehand.


Ultimately.... I think the attitude this promotes, compared to the old system, is less 'healthy' for EvE. The best response I'd hope from anyone who loses a ship (in most circumstances I can think of) is pretty much "Oh.... woops. What's one thing I can remember to try and prevent that from happening again"
Every ship lost is a learning hat. Every single one.

Guess I should mention the concern of people not recruiting for fear of awoxxers / theives

I would suggest doing background research - easy for me to say as I've only done a little of it and it is mind numbing.
-One response to this would be there shouldn't be length out-of-game processes involved into recruiting.
Sure, that might be ideal and is certainly possible in other MMO's, but given the many different vulnerabilties tied to recruiting - they could be a theif, an awoxxer, scoutting for nice wartargets, a spy, the list goes on, it's almost inevitable. Besides, third-party websites / activites take place in many other areas, i.e. dotlan, that d-scan report which I can't remember the name of, static-mapper, eve-central, etc.
And... as a recruiter myself (not for very long though) I'd just say man up and do it - take the risk, if you're sensible about it you can limit any potential damage/loss, but I feel it's better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all.

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