EVE General Discussion

This.


You can also take the word "concord" and replace it with "Highsec", "Insurance" , "Titans" or "Safety" and it still makes perfect sense.

I'm genuinely curious but how would someone inflict meaningful losses to you? If I understand correctly that should be able to happen to anyone and everyone.

The problem is, that the people are well aware what an awoxer can do and might have even experienced one themselves but cannot understand any of the risks involved. An awoxer is just seen as a guy who joins a corp until everyone is off the guard and shoots anyone with a valuable ship. Usually this is even done with an alt so it can be seen as there is no risk involved. Maybe you could explain the process a little?

By killing me while I am awoxing them, they aren't helpless and can fit guns to any ship with hard points.

Remind me, what do you tell new bros about ratting with neuts in local, something about pve fits not doing something or other too well in pvp....?

They are newbees not newbros, reddit scum, I tell them to fleet up. In case you still can't tell or don't understand, numbers matter.

If they are afk, oh well shouldn't have been afk. It's kill me, fleet up and kill me, re ship and kill me or some combination of that.

Hells Bells, there are usually thirty times as many of them as there are of me. If that's not risk, I don't know what is.

Their failure to capitalize on this is not my fault either. But somehow it's presented as though it were, or that their ignorance should merit them being shielded against my ever showing up ever again.

Resumes and CVs are extremely highly edited documents, to the point where a number of prominent individuals have falsified information on them to get jobs and succeeded. That's much more along the lines of what I'm thinking about than a full API check. The context depends, too: corps in sov nullsec are always going to be more paranoid than high sec corps, and that's fine. The problem is that the most immediately newbie-accessible corps are also incredibly paranoid. (What if you could start out in lowsec? Null?)



To point 1: Although I benefited from that myself in the particular case of EVE, I still get far more enjoyment out of a game from learning by failure than I do from learning by tutelage. I really understand a system when I've explored every success and every failure condition myself, whereas I'm only likely to know what works if someone tells me, not why it works or what happens if it doesn't. I obstinately refused to join the corp I knew I was going to join until I'd gotten all the way through the tutorial, because I didn't want anyone to tell me what to do or not do. Now, if I'm in a fleet and other people are depending on me doing the right thing, then sure, I'll take instruction. But it's much less fun for me than throwing myself into the deep end and then figuring out how to swim. In other words, I don't want vets to wrap me in cotton wool, either. ;-)

To point 2: CCP wants newbies to join player corps within 10 days of fetching their first rookie ship, because the numbers say that those people stick around (and again, no surprise there). They've identified the reluctance of high sec corps to recruit them as a problem. Relieving some of the pressure that makes them reluctant to recruit is an obvious thing, although the problem won't entirely go away until the corp interface is replaced by something far less maddening. Fixing the NPE to make the actual nature of the game more clear--maybe it could even explain the basics of setting up a corp!--would take care of a lot of the problem as well.

The last two people I ushered into EVE were excited about getting into the skullduggery and the PVP and the intrigue. They still didn't make it past the trial. Cotton wool wouldn't have helped them; I don't think it solves anything in the general case either (see my complaint with the NPE not communicating the nature of the game well).



Both are true, although the first is not anything you can count on. I got a great deal of useful information from a long time low sec resident who was chilling in one of the newbie corps handing out good advice, but that was luck as much as it was anything else. Maybe you're really lucky and you roll Gallente and choose the Center for Advanced Studies as part of your background? Part of the problem of relying on basic information that's crowd-sourced in real time is that the information is only as good as the loudest, or at least the most diligent, members of whatever crowd you happen to log into. I was fortunate; not everyone is. In fact, judging by the numbers, very few are.



Point 1: They could also, you know, at least mention D-scan, so that you are introduced to one of the primary means of ensuring your own safety...

Point 2: Yes (though it's not griefing by EVE's narrow definition), and there are a lot of possible approaches to that. Getting newbies out of NPC corps and into player corps is one, but I think CCP could and should do more.

Point 3: One of the nice things about CCP's new schedule is that if this change doesn't accomplish its intended goal, it can be rolled back a few weeks later.

So much speculation going on here. So much blaming play styles. So much hate and resentment. In other words, the usual. CCP is making decisions based on facts that are simply not (explicitly) available to us. I think of all people that have posted here, only one has a reasonably good idea as to what really is going on, and that is Mike Azariah. But he is not able to say for obvious reasons. But there are some signs, the most obvious being that player retention may be on a steady decline.

That CCP is making these tough choices comes at no surprise to me at all. There is only so many times we can tell potential new players to "go back to WOW" before we start feeling the consequences ourselves. And I suspect that's the point we are at right now. Like I said, the signs are already there.

It wouldn't surprise me if it happens.

Good luck either way.