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The end of Corpmate Awoxxing?

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1 - 2014-10-30 03:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Looking through the new CSM minutes on p.78, at http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf

There seems to be a strong suggestion that you will soon no longer be able to "legally" shoot corpmates, and the implication seems to be that shooting corpmates will be a criminal act in highsec that will be met with CONCORD retribution.

I guess this is the natural mechanic fix now that dueling is an option.

I would tend to support this change, but not being very involved in the corporation scene, wanted to see how others felt about the idea. Would ending the ability to shoot corpmates help or harm the game, in your view?
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-10-30 03:29:00 UTC
THIS WILL DESTORY EVE.. AS WE KNOW IT. Terrible
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3 - 2014-10-30 03:30:53 UTC
Yay another buff to HiSec!!!!

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#4 - 2014-10-30 03:31:35 UTC
If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew.
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-10-30 03:33:43 UTC
When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6 - 2014-10-30 03:35:22 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew.


Why, because you say so?

Now we enter another idiotic debate where you say it's risk-free PvP, and in comes people with actual experience to tell you it's not, and you deny facts, logic, and reason and kiss CCP's butt because you want to be safer in HiSec.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#7 - 2014-10-30 03:35:55 UTC
Grow a pair and shoot whoever you want to shoot.

Suicide gank them. War dec them. Duel them.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#8 - 2014-10-30 03:36:33 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.


I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point.

No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs.

In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#9 - 2014-10-30 03:36:44 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew.


Why, because you say so?

Now we enter another idiotic debate where you say it's risk-free PvP, and in comes people with actual experience to tell you it's not, and you deny facts, logic, and reason and kiss CCP's butt because you want to be safer in HiSec.

Don't need to debate anyone, the issue's already resolved as per the minutes. Cool
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#10 - 2014-10-30 03:37:16 UTC
Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#11 - 2014-10-30 03:37:20 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Grow a pair


And here we have a case of takes internet gaming too seriously. Roll

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#12 - 2014-10-30 03:38:07 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew.


Why, because you say so?

Now we enter another idiotic debate where you say it's risk-free PvP, and in comes people with actual experience to tell you it's not, and you deny facts, logic, and reason and kiss CCP's butt because you want to be safer in HiSec.

Don't need to debate anyone, the issue's already resolved as per the minutes. Cool


Well it's good to know you can just appeal to authority instead of defending the views you present. Other people did the work for you.

They...

...held your hand.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#13 - 2014-10-30 03:39:15 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Persifonne wrote:
When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.


I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point.

No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs.

In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held.

Cool, adapt or leave. If you leave, send your stuff my way please.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#14 - 2014-10-30 03:42:20 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Persifonne wrote:
When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.


I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point.

No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs.

In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held.

Cool, adapt or leave. If you leave, send your stuff my way please.


Yes, just mindlessly parrot lines we saw other people post on the forums. Again, letting other people do the work for you again I see.

Since you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion and just want to hide behind CCP's skirt (which is ironic because you said "grow a pair") I'm just going to hide your posts. Bye bye. Cool

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Anthar Peva
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-10-30 03:45:20 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.
Well, once this change is in, it is that day, is it not? Although you forgot kill rights. Once that change is in, awoxing will now be pure thievery. (and S.E. to get them to duel you, but that's terrible)

Veers Belvar wrote:
Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game?
How does running missions for no reason other than getting isk to upgrade your missions ship benefit the game? (not referring to all mission runners, but a lot do this afaik)
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#16 - 2014-10-30 03:46:36 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

(which is ironic because you said "grow a pair") I'm just going to hide your posts. Bye bye. Cool

Irony at it's finest.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#17 - 2014-10-30 03:47:30 UTC
Anthar Peva wrote:
Persifonne wrote:
When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.
Well, once this change is in, it is that day, is it not? Although you forgot kill rights. Once that change is in, awoxing will now be pure thievery. (and S.E. to get them to duel you, but that's terrible)

Veers Belvar wrote:
Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game?
How does running missions for no reason other than getting isk to upgrade your missions ship benefit the game? (not referring to all mission runners, but a lot do this afaik)


Less ships blowing up = good for the EVE economy, I hear.

Gotta get those carebear subs!

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-10-30 03:48:12 UTC
CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.

No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.

So remove wardecs!!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#19 - 2014-10-30 03:51:14 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.

No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.

So remove wardecs!!


lol Nobody sits in NPC corps to avoid safaris.

Safaris are one of those things where it's entirely in the players' hands - to run background checks (of which they have numerous tool), to have security (again, numerous tools).

CCP is basically stepping in and saying "We must hold the hand of hiseccers to keep those mission runners who pay subs safe. Even though they usually unsub in less than a year."

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-10-30 03:52:41 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Persifonne wrote:
CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.

No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.

So remove wardecs!!


lol Nobody sits in NPC corps to avoid safaris.

Safaris are one of those things where it's entirely in the players' hands - to run background checks (of which they have numerous tool), to have security (again, numerous tools).

CCP is basically stepping in and saying "We must hold the hand of hiseccers to keep those mission runners who pay subs safe. Even though they usually unsub in less than a year."


Read the mins. Ccp is saying thats why people stay in npc corps. Its wardecs so ccp gonna nerf that again?
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