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EVE isn't dying?

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#41 - 2014-10-29 11:46:07 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:

In uchomida there is a guy who multiboxes 51 accounts. Don't take every figure you see so literally. After plex prices really started taking off and isboxing became more well known individuals running literally dozens of accounts started springing up more and more.

These people are a detriment to the game as they take activities for many genuine human players and consolidate them into one players pocket. Not to be a luddite but this causes a great deal of devaluation and displacement to the populace. Since killing other players doesn't actually kill their character it creates this kind of interest based economy where technical debt drives commodities and assets up in value at a disproportionate rate to the value of labour. This is why people turn to massive isboxing industry campaigns because that degree of automation is exactly what facilitates their capacity to keep operating.

The "red queen effect" so famously plaguing null has arrived in highsec and the result is inevitably a large portion of tye player base finding their economic viability slowing down, stopping and eventually reversing as they simply cannot compete against the degree of financial power that botting and isboxing are allowing their owners


I disagree that they are a detriment to the game. Look at all the wonderful content they provide...

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#42 - 2014-10-29 11:53:05 UTC
Eve is dying.

Please contract me all your stuffs and send me all your ISK, I'll be sure to turn out the lights.

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Doomheim
#43 - 2014-10-29 12:17:17 UTC
since I am new and zillions to learn and do, perhaps a black hole for the top pilots to venture in with the big ships rst you decide
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-10-29 12:43:48 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I will add this to the discussion.. take a few minutes to visit glassdoor and read the reviews, they are interesting


However take this with a grain of salt because for the most part people remember the negative more than the positive and are more motivated by negative events than positive.


Have you read any of the reviews?

None of them come across angry at all and many point out the positives of working for CCP, however the same issues keep coming up time and again.



Yes I have, its a general guideline for that site.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-10-29 12:51:52 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:

One thing that strikes me is the instability of the gaming industry in general. Working at CCP might be a massive career step for those located near offices, but sometimes people either just want to move on or go home. I'm not sure the argument presented elsewhere that relocating the entire company ~because Iceland is a cold, dark island~ is valid. These aren't life appointments, and shouldn't be treated as such. Perhaps that's unfair to people who live elsewhere who are more talented. Er, tough? If the untapped talent in question has the drive, perhaps they should be prepared to move for a bit?


I can only take issue with this part, sometimes other factors prevent relocation. Lack of money, support systems, a family, and many other things can make relocation in-country impossible let alone outside of the country. Telecommuting seems like a good solution to this, for coders at least; CCP can get the talent but, the talent won't have to move to Iceland.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#46 - 2014-10-29 13:55:18 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:

In uchomida there is a guy who multiboxes 51 accounts. Don't take every figure you see so literally. After plex prices really started taking off and isboxing became more well known individuals running literally dozens of accounts started springing up more and more.

These people are a detriment to the game as they take activities for many genuine human players and consolidate them into one players pocket. Not to be a luddite but this causes a great deal of devaluation and displacement to the populace. Since killing other players doesn't actually kill their character it creates this kind of interest based economy where technical debt drives commodities and assets up in value at a disproportionate rate to the value of labour. This is why people turn to massive isboxing industry campaigns because that degree of automation is exactly what facilitates their capacity to keep operating.

The "red queen effect" so famously plaguing null has arrived in highsec and the result is inevitably a large portion of tye player base finding their economic viability slowing down, stopping and eventually reversing as they simply cannot compete against the degree of financial power that botting and isboxing are allowing their owners


I disagree that they are a detriment to the game. Look at all the wonderful content they provide...


This hardly qualifies as content. I made a thread in GD asking what content was and ganking miners was iirc pretty consistently stated not to be content really. While CODE might publicly state they have a higher purpose or something they only thing they're really doing is smashing someone else's isk printing press.

As for the borg guy it's really only a matter of time before he turns to outright botting I think because he probably won't be persecuted for it. The amount of botting that already occurs in game is of such a magnitude we can only roughly guess. To CCP as a business this borg guy is a very good customer. Why damage that? Until the event horizon is reached this situation will probably only get worse.

The only way to fix it realistically is to make resource generation through belts and anoms suffer diminishing returns. Systems that are farmed won't regenerate minerals and the belts or sites will spawn in other systems in the regionm as most regions include some lowsec that will force people to mine there instead of highsec alone. Creating a scenario where resources won't despawn until mined out will ensure that the highsec isboxers and bots don't simply take a 3 day reprieve.. in order to work they will HAVE to move to lower sec systems where the threat of CODE and company becomes much more real.

But I'm sure you think the system is fine as it is. Of course. For all the claims that EVE simulates real world economics the mining industry in eve is certainly very unrealistic. Invalidating the efforts of many through ignorance is purely a status quo measure. The last remaining caveat is that the EULA of EVE doesn't allow macros or automated inputs from clients meaning that theoretically most of the isboxer fleets should be self rectifying. If that EULA was more rigorously enforced maybe people wouldn't burn out so fast trying to chase the inflation.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#47 - 2014-10-29 16:38:55 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:

This hardly qualifies as content. I made a thread in GD asking what content was and ganking miners was iirc pretty consistently stated not to be content really. While CODE might publicly state they have a higher purpose or something they only thing they're really doing is smashing someone else's isk printing press.


Sure it does - other players are all content for each other. The guy mining with all his isboxer glory is content for CODE and anyone else that likes a relatively easy killboard boost with a mass ganking.

I'm surprised - you don't like isboxing, but you don't seem to like the player-driven solution of smashing the isk printing press either.

I bet you'd have more fun in the game if you played it instead of looking for a soap box to stand on in the forums and dragging out that poor dead horse again.


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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#48 - 2014-10-29 17:23:24 UTC
Nice ad hominem. I live in lowsec 6/7 days a week. CODE doesn't affect me in any significant way. I just see them for what they are. A low grade predator that has risen up in response to a sudden spike in easily farmable kills from doe-eyed quasi-botting operations.

I'll say it again. I don't have a vested interest either way. My killboard can confirm that.

If you want to talk about content then maybe you should ask the community for an actual definition of the word. I did. Results are murky at best.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#49 - 2014-10-29 17:47:29 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Nice ad hominem. I live in lowsec 6/7 days a week. CODE doesn't affect me in any significant way. I just see them for what they are. A low grade predator that has risen up in response to a sudden spike in easily farmable kills from doe-eyed quasi-botting operations.

I'll say it again. I don't have a vested interest either way. My killboard can confirm that.

If you want to talk about content then maybe you should ask the community for an actual definition of the word. I did. Results are murky at best.


My first comment was about the isboxer creating content. CODE just happened to be the benefit of that content, not the topic of discussion.

If you have a beef with them, that's not any of my interest.

As for content in a pvp game, other players are it.

If you want opinions on semantics of definitions of the word content, sure, you can ask all the forum dwellers you like and get eleventy-three different answers.

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Break Bad
Celestial Tomb
#50 - 2014-10-29 17:55:16 UTC

EVE is a game, games do not die, as they are not alive

People that play games Die, just as YOU are Dying, one day at a time, right now, a little a a time.

When you Die, can I has your stuff?
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#51 - 2014-10-29 18:19:10 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
What Is Dead May Never Die
Indeed.

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