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Dev blog: CSM9 Summer Summit Minutes!

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2014-10-29 16:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
The meeting minutes from the CSM Summer Summit are now available!

Read all the details of what the CSM9 discussed with CCP developers over the course of three intense days in Reykjavik at the CCP headquarters.

Check out CCP Leeloo's latest dev blog CSM9 Summer Summit Minutes! to learn more about the meeting minutes, the next CSM summit and more.

The CSM Summer Summit minutes (146 pages in total) are available here.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Sion Kumitomo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-10-29 16:22:41 UTC
EVE is real: I was there.

On twitter @siggonK
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-10-29 16:25:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
O.o i thought these were lost

I joke Blink

Seriously tho awesome

No Worries
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#4 - 2014-10-29 16:26:24 UTC
The meetings. oh god the meetings.

I want a 'I survived the CSM 9 summer summit' tshirt.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#5 - 2014-10-29 16:28:34 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The meetings. oh god the meetings.

I want a 'I survived the CSM 9 summer summit' tshirt.


Trust when I say Winter is worse. Especially in Iceland. You'll come to miss daylight.
CCP Leeloo
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2014-10-29 16:31:15 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:

I want a 'I survived the CSM 9 summer summit' tshirt.

First you ask for the minutes to be published in time, now the t-shirt. YOU WANT TOO MUCH!

CCP Leeloo | Community Developer | @ccp_leeloo | leeloo@ccpgames.com
Sion Kumitomo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-10-29 16:40:55 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The meetings. oh god the meetings.

I want a 'I survived the CSM 9 summer summit' tshirt.


I'm pretty sure what we call "meeting hell," CCP calls a regular workday. Those folks put in a lot of hours.

On twitter @siggonK
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#8 - 2014-10-29 16:41:38 UTC
I still want a mug.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-10-29 16:42:29 UTC
The inch-mile cascade scenario is real

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Noriko Mai
#10 - 2014-10-29 18:06:05 UTC
What's this new dogma thing?

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#11 - 2014-10-29 18:13:38 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
What's this new dogma thing?



Dogma is the core engine for stats in Eve. How much damage do your guns do? Ask Dogma. How many shield HP do you have? Ask Dogma.

The downside is, the current version of dogma is based on the idea 'take a bunch of attributes from things, and add/multiply them together. return that'. It can't have specific values poked into it.

Brain in a Box is the name of the project to have things like your character skills all precalculated and stored in a central location, so it doesn't have to recalculate things each time you session change. Dogma needs a rewrite to be able to use the values from it.

That's being worked on.

http://youtu.be/diGYlJNpPEo?t=37m15s is part of a fanfest 2014 presentation on it.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2014-10-29 18:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Darwin
Edit: Steve Ronuken beat me to it.

P.S. Hey, there's my name in the minutes!! \o/

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
Noriko Mai
#13 - 2014-10-29 18:25:44 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
stuff


thx

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Mister Ripley
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-10-29 19:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Ripley
I'm a bit sad that smallholding isn't mentioned. I'm kinda loner in EVE and it is something I look forward to since it was mentioned in 2011. Sad
Or can I assume that the plans for scalable POS imply a way for small entities to grasp thier little part of the universe to call home?

EDIT: Forum thread from CCP Greyscale and the respective DevBlog.
Fonac
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-10-29 20:00:26 UTC
Was a very good read!

I'm really looking forward, to all the ideas and what they may one day become(hopefully sooner than later!)
It also seems CCP has internally has become alot more productive, and are producing stuff much faster.

While beforehand, you often had the feeling that nothing new was revealed, or being worked on.. These notes are quite different. Literally every single topic, has juicy stuff in them.

The sov revamp looks tasty as hell, i can't wait to see it happen.

And finally; Pos and standing revamp... ShockedShockedShocked
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#16 - 2014-10-29 20:30:02 UTC
Scanned through most of this and looks like Eve is heading towards some interesting (good) times. I am not a big Null guy, but the possible changes outlined for sov should make for some real interesting forum reading at the very least :)

And it was good to read you are ready to move on from Incarna. That was a horrid horrid mistake. For me, the biggest was ignoring the base game in favor allowing you to walk around in a closet. Most MMO's design continents and some even worlds, Eve has a whole universe. But then you stopped everything to to make a closet. And.... you wanted a slap on the back and attaboy to boot. Don't get me wrong, it looked great, so great my GPU melted. I'm sure my house would have burned to the ground if I walked around a populated station, I can only imagine a nuclear explosion if I undocked in Jita. Okay okay, got that outta my system.

So you did the 180, got back to the base and stepped up your game. And Eve need it, and it needs more of it, and from reading the minutes, you guys know where it is needed. But thank you flying spaghetti monster for getting brave again. It is time. Just do it wisely.

EVE: All about Flying Frisky and Making Iskie
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#17 - 2014-10-29 20:43:47 UTC
Lady Zarrina wrote:
Scanned through most of this and looks like Eve is heading towards some interesting (good) times. I am not a big Null guy, but the possible changes outlined for sov should make for some real interesting forum reading at the very least :)

And it was good to read you are ready to move on from Incarna. That was a horrid horrid mistake. For me, the biggest was ignoring the base game in favor allowing you to walk around in a closet. Most MMO's design continents and some even worlds, Eve has a whole universe. But then you stopped everything to to make a closet. And.... you wanted a slap on the back and attaboy to boot. Don't get me wrong, it looked great, so great my GPU melted. I'm sure my house would have burned to the ground if I walked around a populated station, I can only imagine a nuclear explosion if I undocked in Jita. Okay okay, got that outta my system.

So you did the 180, got back to the base and stepped up your game. And Eve need it, and it needs more of it, and from reading the minutes, you guys know where it is needed. But thank you flying spaghetti monster for getting brave again. It is time. Just do it wisely.



maybe you should stop playing eve on a broke as pc. im just saying, there needs to be immersion in stations, we need to be able to walk around and even chat with everyone that's in dock with us.. I have no sympathy and gives no fawks for someone whinning their pc couldn't handle walking around in a station.. sorry that's your broke as pc not mine.. I hope they add more into this walking in station add a lounge.. unlock the door or something cause its stupid not being able to.. its even more stupid not being able to yet seems ok to ccp make money from us by selling a $5 e-shirt, boot, pants for our avatars.. they need to fix this incomplete mess.
CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2014-10-29 20:45:55 UTC
Mister Ripley wrote:
I'm a bit sad that smallholding isn't mentioned. I'm kinda loner in EVE and it is something I look forward to since it was mentioned in 2011. Sad
Or can I assume that the plans for scalable POS imply a way for small entities to grasp thier little part of the universe to call home?

EDIT: Forum thread from CCP Greyscale and the respective DevBlog.


More scalable starbases are a thing we would probably need before we can achieve that particular bulletpoint, yes.
Taresh Jahemis
Yashida Industries
#19 - 2014-10-29 20:51:10 UTC
Some parts of the minutes were annoyingly vague, for example:
Quote:
Add a small handful of appropriate herbs.
How am I supposed to know what appropriate herbs are? Isn't the whole point of a recipe to be specific?

On a more serious note, I really enjoyed reading the minutes and I am tremendously excited about the future of Eve.
Erin Crawford
#20 - 2014-10-29 21:05:17 UTC
Taresh Jahemis wrote:
...I really enjoyed reading the minutes and I am tremendously excited about the future of Eve.

Agreed!
Am also really excited about the future and what it may bring!

Especially glad to read this part, looks like a really positive attitude towards some greater, bolder moves...

Quote:
CCP Seagull - For the record. This was so many years ago and we have done so much work to reach now. I, as the executive producer, am in a risk taking mode. But, in the new way that we work. Not just random things. We need to be bolder. We should be able to get over our trauma of Incarna. We need to own our game and be courageous with it. I think our players want that of us.

It's time to get over incarna and start taking risks again, educated and calculated risks of course, but we need to make sure that we deliver solid content to veteran players. We have trained players to be afraid of us doing big things. It meant we put something big out that was half done and it never got touched again. Us doing something big, such as industry, means CCP is going to mess it up again and we will have to pick up the mess. We, internally, have become scared in a sense of making bolder changes to the game so that we know we can control the outcome. Because we do not want to be perceived as messing up again. We can predict what is going on. That predictability is boring everyone to death now. We need to challenge and move forward with solid plans owned by teams that are building the vision in their hands. We need to turn up the volume.


Big smile

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "
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