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[Phoebe] Value increase for low-end blue loot

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2014-10-29 16:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Hey everyone. This is the out of character counterpart to the in-character news report posted here.

In-character, CONCORD has been troubled by the reports that capsuleers have been collecting Sleeper Blue Loot for their own purposes, especially that capsuleers attempted to compete with the four empires in the recent research race. They would much prefer that all Capsuleers pass their Blue Loot on to the qualified authorities instead of worrying their pretty little heads by investigating these items themselves.
As such, CONCORD has been in discussion with all the corporations that are officially licensed to purchase Blue Loot, and they are going to increase their payments for Neural Network Analyzers and Sleeper Data Libraries to encourage Capsuleers to do the right thing and get their loot to their local authorized collection agency.

Out of character, this means that as of Phoebe on November 4th, NPC buy orders for Neural Network Analyzers will pay out 200,000 isk and Sleeper Data Libraries will be purchased for 500,000 isk. This should provide a very significant effect on income in the lower class wormholes without having a very large percentage increase in the income of higher class wormholes.

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Theon Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-10-29 16:06:33 UTC
While I can't in anyway claim to know whether this is a change that will have a significant impact, it's nice to see that a change has been made as a result of a completely player driven campaign.
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2014-10-29 16:08:22 UTC  |  Edited by: TheMercenaryKing
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#4 - 2014-10-29 16:11:28 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.


Keep in mind that the :
1- The price of T3 never ceased to decrease for a while.
2- Lower end wormholes certainly don't make billions per person per hour.

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Theon Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-10-29 16:17:31 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.


Maybe in a C5 or C6, doing cap escalations, definitely wouldn't get that much in a C1 or C2.
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#6 - 2014-10-29 16:19:25 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.


By my calculations, C1 sites would be hitting at about 60M/hr for an average solo player running a site every 10 minutes in a system with a good number of sites to run. That's up from probably about 18-20M/hr now. And that's before any random ribbon drops which would add a bit to that total.
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#7 - 2014-10-29 16:23:08 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.


Yes you can. Way more than those stupid DED sites so come on in and give them a shot!
Random Interrupt
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-10-29 16:26:56 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Oh how I wish that were true.
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#9 - 2014-10-29 16:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Krell Kroenen
Given the number of abandoned POS's my former corp mates are reporting in lower holes, I am betting this is to try to entice people to return to lower holes after the WH changes a little while back. Especially when you combine this with the addition of Nullsec quality data/relic sites. But with out hard data that is just a guess. But it does seem to be a lot of carrot out of the blue so to speak.
Arcturus Gallow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-10-29 16:49:49 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.


I see people thinking this everywhere and I think this is crazy. I live in C5 and cap escalations are hard to do, require heavy investment (at least 2 carriers, 2 dreadnought and 1 rapier/loki. If you want to generate income for everybody in the group, you have to let more people in. We make ~100m isk/hr/player, and cannot do this for more than 3 hours more than 4 times a week. Thats 1B2/player/week. Assuming we have the sites, we dont get dropped, and we spend 4evening just PVEing which does not happen.

Isk in C6 I dont know about it, just that its even harder and riskier. And not *that* much more.

Isk in C5+ is good, but it is far from crazy and certainly not in the billion per hour mark, except maybe for a handful of crazy multiboxer with insane starting capital and skillpoints. And even they lose a lot sometimes, look at the guy multiboclxing 2 carriers 2 dreads and 8 napocs who lost it all recently. Yes he was probably pulling 15bil per week out of his setup, but he lost a month of farming with one gank. And now he is on watchlist for a lot of dudes :)

And anyway this change will maybe buff highclas income by 5%
BerSerKer 13
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-10-29 16:53:07 UTC
so will CONCORD relase the findings of the empires to us? or will capsuleers still have to make there own Big smile
Ridvanson
#12 - 2014-10-29 17:20:16 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.


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Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-10-29 17:24:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Aladar Dangerface
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.

Billions can be made daily however, if you are refering to high end (C5-C6) escalations then, this is done by a running in groups of usually 4-7 ppl, which when u split it does not make billions per day per person.

These sitee also need to be run with capital ships so you are risking alot also.

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Ridvanson
#14 - 2014-10-29 17:28:20 UTC
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.

Billions can be made daily however, if you are refering to high end (C5-C6) escalations then, this is done by a running in groups of usually 4-7 ppl, which when u split it does not make billions per day per person.

These sitee also need to be run with capital ships so you are risking alot also.


That being said, If I'd put my group of escalation pilots into afk-tars and ran Nullsec anomalies for a couple hours, I'd make billions too
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-10-29 17:38:18 UTC
This will mostly affect the lower class wh's sadly when I did all my pve testing I just recorded total blue book income per site not a break down.

I do have some pics of earlier tests with total loot and it goes for a C1 from 33m blue books 80m salvage to 96m blue books 80m salvage. so for C1 and C2 its a pretty huge

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#16 - 2014-10-29 17:48:00 UTC
This is great news for the lower class wormhole systems.

As to the "billion/pilot/per"..............
lol - Someone has been believing the tall tales told.

Only the true farmers will ever come close to this figure. In realistic sized escalation groups (4-6 pilots) the ISK is good but no where near THAT good. Only time this math begins to look accurate is if it's a multiboxing person or two and the calc is billion isk/person (regardless of alts)/hour. But that's not accurate and doesn't sound as exaggerated (and therefore not shouted from the rooftops every time someone talks about wh income).

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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#17 - 2014-10-29 18:21:47 UTC
Do sleepless guardians drop Sleeper Data Libraries?

corbexx wrote:
This will mostly affect the lower class wh's sadly when I did all my pve testing I just recorded total blue book income per site not a break down.


I am starting to think all those changes to WH PvE are just to mess with your little numbersproject.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#18 - 2014-10-29 18:36:36 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. This is the out of character counterpart to the in-character news report posted here.

In-character, CONCORD has been troubled by the reports that capsuleers have been collecting Sleeper Blue Loot for their own purposes, especially that capsuleers attempted to compete with the four empires in the recent research race. They would much prefer that all Capsuleers pass their Blue Loot on to the qualified authorities instead of worrying their pretty little heads by investigating these items themselves.
As such, CONCORD has been in discussion with all the corporations that are officially licensed to purchase Blue Loot, and they are going to increase their payments for Neural Network Analyzers and Sleeper Data Libraries to encourage Capsuleers to do the right thing and get their loot to their local authorized collection agency.

Out of character, this means that as of Phoebe on November 4th, NPC buy orders for Neural Network Analyzers will pay out 200,000 isk and Sleeper Data Libraries will be purchased for 500,000 isk. This should provide a very significant effect on income in the lower class wormholes without having a very large percentage increase in the income of higher class wormholes.



Thank you, that really looks promising.

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Wroxton Vee
EVE University
Ivy League
#19 - 2014-10-29 18:38:33 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.


Wait, someone said "low risk" and "wormholes" in the same sentence... LolLolLolLolLolLol

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Ridvanson
#20 - 2014-10-29 18:45:41 UTC
Wroxton Vee wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.

Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.

Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.


Wait, someone said "low risk" and "wormholes" in the same sentence... LolLolLolLolLolLol



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