Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It wouldn't create a reason to go through losec it would force any trader/hauler to do so as a 90 minute manual piloted trip would be a complete no from them. It would simply drive them from the game. Also 30 minutes through losec in a freighter? no way that the average hisec player would even go for 5 minutes let alone 30!

ROFL

Are you serious? Do you even have the slightest idea how much preparation is needed to cross even 1 single Low sec system with a freighter? How long you have to wait for a neut free time or time with very few neuts in completely irrelevant systems? Now imagine that in systems which are essential to travel. Getting a freighter through there is nigh impossible and if you want to pull it of, requires immense preparation.

A choice between 90 mins or 30 mins? To pull that off, you need to keep the Concord route at roughly the same length as it is today. And the Low sec route needed to be around 2, maybe 4 jumps. That is not going to happen as it would mean Dodi and Jita have Low sec systems right next to them; otherwise you would have a situation like Vecamia and if there is only 1 Low sec in the route, you'd have a massive choke point.

A choice? Yes. Every trader will take the choice and move business to a station in the Concord space.

How is hisec risk free? Did gankers suddenly say 'Oh well, I can't be arsed anymore...'?

Pushing hisec players to have to use losec areas is simply asking for easy kills. Nothing should be easy so any players wanting those juicy freighters should go gank the the same as the current gankers do. That would provide the increase in risk you are asking for but at a cost to the gankers just as we have now.

No,
one station should be there called "Babylon 5"

But my ultimate dream is to see Jita drop to 0.5 sec over night. Not because I don't use the station but just because for the tears.

Its easy move it with a fleet. and you might get a fleet fight out of it on the way... moving in high sec there is nothing a fleet can do other than web... you cannot have a fight over if your going to loose the freighter in high sec.

Or would you like to do everything solo?

I don't need fleet fights when I want to move a CC or necessary materials for my production. Not to mention that I do not have the time or interest to wait for people to help me, it's bothersome and then there are always pirates who cannot enter High sec and cause even more waiting time. That's ridiculous.

With the "fleet" you mean a fleet that can scale to enormous size as you will need to counter an ever growing number of people attacking you once they got wind of your Low sec freighter travels? Because losing a freighter in Low sec is a lot easier than in High sec due to cynos and indefinite point by opponent ships.
Besides, who pay them? The person setting up the CC? The corp/alliance members by paying higher prices?

Taking the above into account:
Do I like doing things solo? Yes.
Is it unreasonable to expect that I can do things solo? No.
Do I want to prevent others from doing things in groups? No.
Can others already do things in groups? Yes. Especially with the hauling, the routes are already there.
Do many actually uses the routes in groups, who do not use a bigger ship than BR or DST? No. Why? Convenience and laziness.
Can you remove the laziness from the game by adding more Low sec and force encourage more players to go through more dangerous space to be farmed by those who cannot fight real fights? No, you just cause more frustration.
Do I like frustration? Yes, because it creates lovely friction and causes friends to turn against each other and stab themselves. Nothing is more enjoyable than friends murdering themselves.
Will I be frustrated? No, because it won't affect me a lot. I can use JF, BR, Carrier, WH and all sorts of things to just skip the Low sec. I already live EVE how it should be lived in my opinion. The majority does not like that and does not live it this way, among them most if not all Null sec people.
Who will be hit most? You, not me.

just about talked out at page 4 I think :D

I find this and many other topics very enlightening. Low and nul are dead as hell with hardly any activity, yet high sec flourishes with countless players enjoying their time in game. So the obvious answer is to force all of those who are having fun to go into low/nul where they to can be miserable and have no fun. Instead of the relentless topics of how to force people to go to a place they do not want to be, how about we explore how to make low and nul exciting places, places that players WANT to be?

It might be interesting as a 2-3 day event. As a week long event, it would deplete the ready reserves of several pockets of HS in terms of isk and stocked modules. A two week event would see miners and haulers unsubbing hard. A month would likely grind most of the economy to a halt in HS, and drive up mineral prices massively in null. Permanently would break much of the current economy and shift the heart of the game out of jita, as caldari space just doesn't have enough resources available in the reliable belts to fuel the HS based production.

The Game Wide benefit is that the regional differences in High Sec actually start to mean something, like the ones in Null already do. That has a plethora of knock-on economic effects that are well worth the mild inconcenience of a High-sec industrialist actually having to import goods they can't directly access. Having to import T2 materials from Null hasn't ruined the game, having to import Sleeper tech from W-Space hasn't ruined the game. Having to import Jaspet to your Caldari-based industrial operation won't ruin the game either.

My personal support for this, as a Lowsec denizen, isn't about having more people for me to shoot. It's about rewarding those people who base in Highsec and are willing to move goods/ships between the prospective Highsec pockets. Risk/reward. At no point does this suggestion force anyone to move through lowsec to play the game. It merely introduces a reward for those who are willing to.