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Fuel to the Fire

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Wendrika Hydreiga
#21 - 2014-10-28 13:13:06 UTC
Wow! Today must be Everyone Hates Diana Kim Day or something. Everyone wants a piece of her! Or in this case, none piece of her.

Can't we all just get along and hate our opposing faction of choice without taking it personaly? You're all upset because Miss Kim doesn't back down from an argument. Or because she made it her mission to remind us constantly why the Federation must be destroyed. Or that you can't take up arms against her because she is merciless and a lady of war working for the State.

You're no better than her! In fact, there's nothing wrong with her, it's just you guys' attitude that stinks!
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-10-28 13:13:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Anslo wrote:
I'm saying don't even respond to her. Just go shoot her. You looking for a job by the way? I like the cut of your jib, friend.


Still sorting out some private matters before deciding whether to return to privateering. Thanks for the offer though.

Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Wow! Today must be Everyone Hates Diana Kim Day or something. Everyone wants a piece of her! Or in this case, none piece of her.

Can't we all just get along and hate our opposing faction of choice without taking it personaly? You're all upset because Miss Kim doesn't back down from an argument. Or because she made it her mission to remind us constantly why the Federation must be destroyed. Or that you can't take up arms against her because she is merciless and a lady of war working for the State.

You're no better than her! In fact, there's nothing wrong with her, it's just you guys' attitude that stinks!


We are just tired of her arguments on why the Federation must be destroyed, or rather, her lack of argument points and her crippling myopia. She's a broken sound synthesizer.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#23 - 2014-10-28 13:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Avio Yaken
((This is my attempt at professional rp so..derp :l am bad at this))

I find this saddening to admit this, as I am not a man that condems people

But Vizage is correct, this is perhaps necessary for all of us to do in order to move towwrds a more peaceful forum with heated debates about politics and friendly discussion about minor things. ..as well as....Anslo

Diana, you have Insulted my famiy name one to many times, branded us as traitors against the state when all of my ancestors fought in the first Gallente-Caldari war and how I sacrifice my time to help corporations within the state to exterminate pirate agents internally cuasing choas within Caldari space endangering Caldari citizens lifes

Yet you label me scum of the universe despite my actions to make Caldari space somewhat more safer for baseliners to travel, When you act more patriotic towards the Amarr empire rather than your own homeland and you dare question my patriotism?. You supported Amarrian duster whom terrorized Caldari citizens by killing several and detonating a bomb possibly endangering more lifes..thankfully no one died during the bombing..But to support theses terrorists of the state only exceeds the point Vizage is making

Unlike you my mother actually was a Provist, a Provist that believed highly in upholding Caldari traditions and was willing to fight and die for the betterment of the state, I remember her telling me the possibilities and chance of her dieing everh assignment she went on, She knew the risks of every job she was given and yet she happily went on theses missions regardless of if she dies. And you insult her honor?


Also you fail to understand the act of Self Defence, Every Amarr vessel I shot down was in self defence as I wish to protect my crew as well as my assets from frantic soldiers with a itchy trigger finger...it just so happens my ship is armed with 200mm railguns..it also just ao happens my ship is equiped with a stasis webifer...also it happens its equiped with a warp disrupter..it ALSO just happens to be apart of a larger fleet on the other side of the gate wait ing on my que to come in and shoot everyone. ...IT ALSO JUST SO HAPPENS to be a cyno ready to be lit by my ship


But its all in self defence

I am sorry for the long post, i just wanted to get that off my chest, Vizage you have my respect for this thread

(.___________________________________________.)/

Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#24 - 2014-10-28 15:18:14 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Wow! Today must be Everyone Hates Diana Kim Day or something. Everyone wants a piece of her! Or in this case, none piece of her.

Can't we all just get along and hate our opposing faction of choice without taking it personaly? You're all upset because Miss Kim doesn't back down from an argument. Or because she made it her mission to remind us constantly why the Federation must be destroyed. Or that you can't take up arms against her because she is merciless and a lady of war working for the State.

You're no better than her! In fact, there's nothing wrong with her, it's just you guys' attitude that stinks!


Ms. Wendrika with all due respect, telling us to hate who we want and then scolding us for choosing Diana Kim in the very same thread is an act of visible hypocrisy.

Furthermore saying don't take hatred personally is a rather obvious oxymoron. Hate is personal, it comes from a personal choice and position, expecting anyone, Ms. Kim included to not take it personally is just absurd quite frankly and I really don't think you understand our frustration when you lay it out as simple "hating an opposing faction."

What angers us (or at least me.) Is the absolutely staggering amount of cognitive dissonance Ms. Kim displays. Bigotry aside Ms. Kim is a walking contradiction. Serving our State and espousing Provists (at least publicly) is a mutually exclusive spectrum. Provists are by recognition of The Caldari State, outlaws and murderers, making them no better Gurista's by any practical definition. They are enemies of the State, pure and simple. But when we bring this up she passively ignores this reality in exchange for whatever warped world view she holds in that head of hers. She is a hypocrit. Worse still she in unrepentant.

Throw on some Bigotry and her constant dillusional warmonger and I ask you.

"Can you really blame us?

Regards

-K
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-10-28 15:32:30 UTC
There are little glimmers of hope here and there, but for the most part all I hear is rhetoric. And it is no better, nor is it any worse, than Cdr Kim's.

I have no real personal interest here, I just wonder why I seem to be the only person who's tried being friendly? Maybe a bit aggressive... I've been told I'm guilty of that. But friendly. I didn't tell her to shut up, or change her views, or say that her point was invalid. I just suggested that she try something new.

Granted, it didn't work. But I tried. And I would try again. I guess part of this sack of meat is still human, after all.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2014-10-28 15:35:55 UTC
Your argument was almost hot enough to put some sweat under the collar, dear Vizage.

You should get angry more often.

I like it.

Katrina Oniseki

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2014-10-28 15:36:19 UTC
Mr. Peione, I get the impression you haven't been here long. Kim has made thousands of posts along the current line, in any thread she is able to, to the point that it's difficult to have a discussion here that isn't derailed by her insanity. This is not new. Pilots have tried to reform her, to help her, to debate with her, all for naught.

There is nothing you or any of us can do but ignore her.

And on that note, I'm now going to not only ignore Kim, but ignore discussion about her, because I suspect that, too, feeds her megalomania.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#28 - 2014-10-28 15:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Quattras Peione wrote:
There are little glimmers of hope here and there, but for the most part all I hear is rhetoric. And it is no better, nor is it any worse, than Cdr Kim's.

I have no real personal interest here, I just wonder why I seem to be the only person who's tried being friendly? Maybe a bit aggressive... I've been told I'm guilty of that. But friendly. I didn't tell her to shut up, or change her views, or say that her point was invalid. I just suggested that she try something new.

Granted, it didn't work. But I tried. And I would try again. I guess part of this sack of meat is still human, after all.


Because many have tried to be friendly, a few in this thread even tried it very recently, but eventually, they all faced the same issue, Cmd Kims deep hatred of the Gallente Federation , beyond any reasonable level, infects everything.

Many here once believed the same as you, they tried where others warned them for it, only to realize that sometimes there is no deeper level.

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Wendrika Hydreiga
#29 - 2014-10-28 19:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
I struggle to even understand why everyone has such boiling vitriol for such a likeable person like Miss Kim. No really, of all the talks I had with her all I saw was an honest, hard working person with a love for her nation and people.

It's one thing to hate the Gallente, or the Blood Raiders, or the Sansha. But you are all making this loud crusade against a single person just because you don't like what she says or thinks.

But why? Did she wronged you somehow? Did she commited unspeakable atrocities against you? Is she a threat to your way of life?

Or is it because you have no better reason? That's like, really petty!

No really, if you don't like that Miss Kim hates the Gallente, then hate the Caldari aswell! If she calls you a traitor and probably has a point (really Mister Yaken, you're a "reporter" working for Mister Anslo that shoots people, I can come up with a couple of reasons why she would call you a traitor), don't act wounded!

Shouting in the Summit that you don't like Miss Kim won't get you anywhere further than you would by hating her in silence!
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2014-10-28 20:33:28 UTC
I dislike Kim because her staggering ineptitude soiled the honor of a dear friend of mine.

Ask him. He's still missing part of his little finger.

Katrina Oniseki

Jace Sarice
#31 - 2014-10-28 20:42:03 UTC
Another person's communications to block. The IGS is slowly becoming more efficient for me.
3ll3
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-10-28 21:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: 3ll3
Ms Vizage, Ms Kim may have some reason to have a deep hate towards the Federation and as such it would be wrong of us to just ignore her and hope she goes away.
To hide ones head in the sand and try to pretend some thing does not exist is unwise in my personal experience, the good Lady will not simply vanish just because people pretend that she is not there, I have no trouble in conversing in a rational logical manner , one simply needs to step back then contemplate her words while extract fact from bias and then compile a simple reply in an equally logical and calm manner.

Now if you will excuse me I have much wiggling to catch up with.
*Begins his wiggle exercises*
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#33 - 2014-10-28 23:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
3ll3 wrote:
....I have no trouble in conversing in a rational logical manner , one simply needs to step back then contemplate her words while extract fact from bias and then compile a simple reply in an equally logical and calm manner.....




You clearly have taken absolutely no time to compile this reply. Because if you have, you would have seen myself and dozens of other capsuleer's, calmly and clearly attempted to converse with Ms. Kim for quite a countless number of times before the birth of this thread.

What you fail to grasp in that as I have said countless times already in this very thread, is that Ms. Kim pays no heed to logic or reason when her core beliefs are challenged. There is no room for the rational debate you are attempting to espouse.

I know because I used to think your way. Ms. Kim and I did not always find ourselves so diametrically opposed and shared many pleasantries during at my initial foray into the public spectrum.

But... Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps one time she will listen to reason, and maybe she will change for the better. But I'll leave that up to you.

I wish you luck.

Regards

-K
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-10-29 01:49:17 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:


No really, if you don't like that Miss Kim hates the Gallente, then hate the Caldari aswell!


Hate the Caldari people for something Kim said? Goodness me! What monsters do you take us for?

To avoid confusion, Kim's opinions had always been her own and it was quite clear to me that the Caldari people by and large do not share her views. She just wouldn't admit it. Sometimes I imagined that she sits alone in this dark room surrounded by stuffed uniform-wearing dolls and Thorax models, clutching the Heth Manifesto muttering to herself and occasionally pick up any one of these dolls and saying things with a differently-pitched voice.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#35 - 2014-10-29 02:04:06 UTC
I praise your call for moderation and tolerance.

I hope your efforts to foster a more civil discourse are successful.

But I fear I cannot support your solution.

To my knowledge I have responded once, and even then, indirectly to one of Mademoiselle Kim’s’ posts.

She is simply to valuable for those within our Federal Union, dedicated to… order, to silence.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2014-10-29 07:24:58 UTC
Making a thread about someone is possibly not the best way to stop giving them the oxygen of publicity.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

3ll3
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-10-31 16:28:19 UTC
Vizage wrote:

You clearly have taken absolutely no time to compile this reply. Because if you have, you would have seen myself and dozens of other capsuleer's, calmly and clearly attempted to converse with Ms. Kim for quite a countless number of times before the birth of this thread.

What you fail to grasp in that as I have said countless times already in this very thread, is that Ms. Kim pays no heed to logic or reason when her core beliefs are challenged. There is no room for the rational debate you are attempting to espouse.

I know because I used to think your way. Ms. Kim and I did not always find ourselves so diametrically opposed and shared many pleasantries during at my initial foray into the public spectrum.

But... Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps one time she will listen to reason, and maybe she will change for the better. But I'll leave that up to you.

I wish you luck.

Regards

-K


Dear, Ms Vizage

My apologises to you Ms Vizage you but I have taken the time to read other individuals replies to Ms Kim, while the majority have indeed corrected her and been polite and informative in the manner in which they attempted to do so they also allowed themselves to be caught up in the extra unnecessary facts and numbers that she bombard those she is debating with to misdirect and lead into replying in a way that will allow her to fuel her side of the debate.
I should also apolagise to you Ms Vizage for not being clear in my attempt to explain myself a flaw in myself that can lead to issue like this occurring so I am sorry for not being clearer to you.

I do grasp the concept of your view point MS Vizage but if you will indulge me a moment and view things from my prospective please, you may or may not find that I choose to take what is spoken and dissect it completely removing all personal bias and focus only on the relevant facts of a reply before contemplating and responding.
One should also be aware and tolerant that Ms Kim as and is a product of her environment and influence of her late Master though I believe by the word master Ms Kim may well mean her sensei, this way of thinking has been taken by Ms Kim to heart or so it appears from my discussion with her and as such have become her own point of view on all things to the point where they firmly integrated with her pride and very waking thought.


So while these views that may or may not be misguided, for someone to start telling her that she is wrong and that individual or individuals are right or at least not in such a direct way of saying so.
Will cause her to rebel as well as resist even trying to contemplate what had been said to her regardless of whatever proof may be presented before her.
In addition she has several quite clear Triggers that will make her become instantly unable to heed what is being said one such Trigger is the word Freedom, though the other triggers I am sure you can find by reading her previous posts.
If you wish to see how this can be accomplished please turn your attention to this channel and the debate myself and Ms Kim had:
+Click To Open+
Please bare in mind the debate did stretch for quite a while but you will find it was quite a civil discussion between us, but then again this is just my own point of view on this matter.


Wishing You Well,
Batch Number #3ll3

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2014-10-31 23:28:14 UTC
I can go along with this, but only if we can include a sticky for this topic, so that newcomers can be made aware.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Zecthah Trees'ent
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-11-02 14:40:09 UTC
Calairis wrote:
Sadly, the strict adherence of our peers cannot be relied upon. Historically, someone always takes the bait.

Yeeeaaaahhhhh....that was me earlier.

I saw some posts of hers and thought that it might be possible to engage in something akin to rational discussion. That maybe she was just having a bad day...or series of days. Unfortunately I'm part of the Gallentean slime that she so desperately hates so you can imagine how well that went over. I think I am going to resist the urge to 'poke the bear' and get on board with the blocking movement.
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#40 - 2014-11-02 15:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
The passive-aggressive hatred in this thread against Kim is probably greater than her hatred against the Federation itself.

Good lord, people, good lord.

I dislike Kim's hatred against Federation -- she even wants to kill me every day -- but to join this pathetic witch-hunt, give GalNet likes to every bit of hate there is, that is just little too much. I'm not even going to talk about the sociopathic urge to allow and celebrate a forum censorship. I guess you can dream on, though, and keep banning people from your channels and other forums just because they are a bit different and not like you. You all seem to like that so very much to dive deep in a boredom of ~un-diversity~.

/throws potatoes

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.