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Why doesnt mining make more isk?

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Cant tell Ifserious
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#1 - 2014-10-29 03:36:04 UTC
I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.

Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?

shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(
Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-10-29 03:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jegrey Dozer
Generally speaking, risk is proportional to ISK/hour.

Edit:
Oh and as a side remark, you make more ISK with 2 mining ships with no boosts compared to your current setup.
somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#3 - 2014-10-29 03:56:30 UTC
Try gas harvesting in nullsec/wormholes, I've read that is where the money is at the moment.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2014-10-29 04:01:56 UTC
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
Generally speaking, risk is proportional to ISK/hour.

Edit:
Oh and as a side remark, you make more ISK with 2 mining ships with no boosts compared to your current setup.
IIRC it's around 4 miners before boosts pay for themselves, at least in the case of an Orca.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-10-29 04:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
I am pretty sure this is actually an anti-AFK-mining and botting troll post but anyway - taking the OP seriously for now:


The miners in my mains corp log in with a couple of characters each and park in a belt and go off to watch a movie and cook dinner. They are logged in for maybe 6 or 8 hours a night but actually "play" for about an hour of that.

In terms of ISK/hour-actually-playing (as opposed to logged in but actually drinking coffee and watching movies and snogging your gf/bf while the ship mines rocks for you) the mining makes more ISK per hour than even incursions.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#6 - 2014-10-29 04:24:33 UTC
Supply and demand.
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-29 04:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Emma Muutaras
income from ratting in hubs and such are set by CCP though the bounty payouts (Ticks) this is isk generated from nothing.

Income from mining is generated by selling ore/minerals on the market which is player driven

If the cost or ore went up the cost of minerals would also go up which in turn would effect the price of everything from a T1 afterburner to a Titan.

Yes you would make more isk/per hour on paper but because the cost of everything would go up you would be no better off in fact you would be worse off because the ratting income would remain the same.

It could be argued that Ratting income is to high but if you did lower the ratting income it would effect the ore/mineral price as people would no longer have as much isk to spend meaning less sales which leads to high supply low demand which will in turn lower the value of the item as people under cut to get rid of there stock

as for this statement

The miners in my mains corp log in with a couple of characters each and park in a belt and go off to watch a movie and cook dinner. They are logged in for maybe 6 or 8 hours a night but actually "play" for about an hour of that.

i can tell you must be new to mining

ive done a little mining and i cant go afk for any longer than 5 mins, stripminers tend to mine out a roid in 2 cycles at which point i need to relock a new roid and activate the stripminers again on top of that the ore hold fills up 2 quick to go afk for for more than 10 mins not to mention nullsec belt rats do hurt even in a skiff going afk is not advisable.

unless your mining buddys are using a decent bot to jetcan and warp off if rats turn up. i cant see how they can go afk and watch a movie or cook dinner
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-10-29 04:45:56 UTC
Sadly, if mining was more profitable in isk terms, more people would do it, making it less profitable. That's the sad reality of being at the whims of market demands.
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
#9 - 2014-10-29 05:34:44 UTC
Because you are doing it WRONG.

Mining is BORING and intended for industrial material supply, not for pressing F1 and going AFK.

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R0mparkin
Th3 Illuminati
#10 - 2014-10-29 06:10:06 UTC
mining is broken, eve is dying!!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2014-10-29 06:45:28 UTC
Can't tell if serious....





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AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#12 - 2014-10-29 06:48:17 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Can't tell if serious....

Came here for this. Was not disappointed.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-10-29 07:27:06 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:


as for this statement

The miners in my mains corp log in with a couple of characters each and park in a belt and go off to watch a movie and cook dinner. They are logged in for maybe 6 or 8 hours a night but actually "play" for about an hour of that.

i can tell you must be new to mining

ive done a little mining and i cant go afk for any longer than 5 mins, stripminers tend to mine out a roid in 2 cycles at which point i need to relock a new roid and activate the stripminers again on top of that the ore hold fills up 2 quick to go afk for for more than 10 mins not to mention nullsec belt rats do hurt even in a skiff going afk is not advisable.

unless your mining buddys are using a decent bot to jetcan and warp off if rats turn up. i cant see how they can go afk and watch a movie or cook dinner



You in high sec Emma?

Out in the back blocks of 0.0 there are roids no one gets to for years. Those babies just grow and grow and grow.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#14 - 2014-10-29 08:39:13 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
i can tell you must be new to mining

You've never mined Null Anoms, have you?
Set up on low competition roids (anything but the ABCMs in my experience) and you can mine the same rocks for ages, the occasional rat spawn is the biggest non-player threat.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-10-29 08:52:08 UTC
Most activities in Eve have been carefully examined by CCP. You will make relatively the same amount of ISK over a given period of time doing any form of PVE activity if you have high skill levels. It all comes down to time and effort, but you will essentially be earning the same, give or take a few milliion.

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-10-29 08:55:17 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Most activities in Eve have been carefully examined by CCP. You will make relatively the same amount of ISK over a given period of time doing any form of PVE activity if you have high skill levels. It all comes down to time and effort, but you will essentially be earning the same, give or take a few milliion.




Different activities scale differently.
Serene Repose
#17 - 2014-10-29 10:50:31 UTC
Take the "R" out of "RISK" and you got...no wait....Take the "K" out...or was it...hang on.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Cynadore
3 R Corporation
#18 - 2014-10-29 13:01:37 UTC
How about adding value to your mining by turning those minerals into something useful that people actually want. There's more profit in selling ships or ammo than in selling plain old minerals.
Satan's Spawn
Satan's Enterprises
#19 - 2014-10-29 13:09:52 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
[quote=Emma Muutaras]


Out in the back blocks of 0.0 there are roids no one gets to for years. Those babies just grow and grow and grow.



lol, this.
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#20 - 2014-10-29 13:22:52 UTC
Cant tell Ifserious wrote:
I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.

Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?

shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(


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