Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Warning this thread and the philosophical arguments behind it are not for the faint of heart of the impulsive individual.

Similar ideas have been suggested before.

I have played on and off across 7 different characters spanning 6 years.

I had one point had at least 5 different fully deadspace faction fit tengus (before heavy missile nerfs) I could clear all NPC in worlds collide L4 in 28 minutes or less.

But that got boring, so I sold my pve characters and made pure pvp ones which never touched PVE and never will.

My point is ive seen many forms of the game and alot of pvp (excluding null sec lagh bores) and I just have a few suggestions to make eve an even more evil, diabolical and an unforgiving environment that will encourage people not only to play more often but to bring in more new players, and it will anger you, some of the suggestions may seem outright dumb at first, but it should happen! FOR THE PVP LULZ!!!

Allow Cynos and covert cynos in all high sec areas and in All special pockets and missions. (See this post from almost 5 years ago
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Covert_cynosural_fields_in_high_security_space_(CSM)

Balancing: The character that cynos goes GCC and takes a sec hit depending on system, cyno stays up for 10-15 seconds after cynoing ship dies to concord. 2. All players that enter through the cyno into high sec get a 15 minutes suspect timer to everyone, all players entering into high sec take a smaller sec hit but still stay suspect. The character in low or null that Jump bridged the player into high sec through that cyno receives a GCC timer and a sec hit depending if on low sec, GCC still occurs if in null at the time but no sec hit. This action also causes a 30 second session change timer for ALL parties involved, the jump Bridger, the cynoer and all players using the cyno. All other rules of concord apply to the players entering high sec (if they already criminal based on their current sec they would be criminal + suspect)

Balancing continued: Fuel costs for the jump Bridger could be increased based upon what level system they are being bridged to. (Cynoed into)

All I have to say about above suggestion is imagine the glorious tears!

Dynamic Hardcore PVP reward system: (The current bounty system is "ok" and would work independently of this system)
This would make eve PVP grinding and not PVE grinding.

I love the idea, strategies and tactics of pvp in eve but training times are too slow, if they weren't I would play a lot more often. (18 + days for some skills that don't affect dreads or caps? F************** that crap) And if training times were less I would be more greatly encouraged to try different ships, different fits and different strategies.
The idea of missions and rats not giving SP like most other MMO's IS PERFECTLY FINE, cause pve isn't challenging to an extent and I don't think anyone really liked that old idea of SP amount per time of using specific modules, ships or items, because of AFKness and other special yet easy conditions.

And we all know in rvb that PVP in all of its glorious and trollish forms is the only true end game of EvE. So why don't we finally put in place a complex dynamic system that has a simple concept.

Reward PVPers with SP for hard work and winning/getting kills in situations in which the odds are against them.
Ideas on how this will work:
Basic concept:
Solo kills are rewarded more SP than kills where there are multiple individuals on mail (only 1 person on the kill mail)
SP reward is directly influenced by the ISK of the ship lost + the Skill point differential between the characters involved.

Calculating SP rewarded will start with a simple idea that:
1. If you kill a ship worth far more than the one your in, you get more SP rewarded proportionality. (ISK factor will be based on market averages for total cost compared to hull cost of the winning ships)

2. If character A Solo kills character B, SP rewarded will be directly proportional + a flat value to how much less SP the Killing player has.
For example:
Player A total SP [player who killed player B] == 12 mil (ASP)
Player B total SP [Player who died] == 30 mil (BSP)
Flat rate of solo kill reward == 400 sp (FRSR)
Equation: (FRSR) TIMES [(BSP) divided by (ASP)]
400 sp x [(30)/(12)] == 400 sp times (2.5) therefore ------ Player A would be rewarded a bank of 1000 Skill points to be allocated to anything they want because they solo killed a player with more skills points than them.
[To be edited to add something in the equations about ship value comparisons]
however if the dieing player had less skills points than the winning player the sp would not be reduced would just be the flat rate, ergo if A SP> B SP player A would only get the flat rate of 400 Skill points.

Stipulations to be worked on (Ideas)
If players on mail part of fleet flat amount reduced by 25% then equation completed with player with Final blow then distributed equally to all in fleet.

the annoying stipulation: if there are more players on kill mail such that less than 1 sp is going to be allocated, than 1 sp is given to the first amount of players on the kill mail adding to the total amount of sp (1 sp to each from highest dmg down to lowest) after the last 1 sp is given no more sp is to be given to anyone else on km (this is to make those massive fing cap kills equations easier when they are hundreds of players on the mail)


SP rewarded is reduced by at least 25% if people are in a fleet (encouraging solo pvp and discouraging blobbing and People with too much money and time with 4 multi boxing)

Other ideas instead this preferred: This SP reward system program would not run as part of the game dynamically updating all the time but a server q would keep track of this and add sp the players bank at the end of each down time.

edits to come.

Grats on the boosters, they make for wonderful rants and flights of fancy. Also, see commonly proposed ideas, forums rules regarding thread naming, etc.

TL;DR.

so what you're saying is i'd be able to sell skill points to people for ship costs + some ammount of isk depending how many sp they wanted? remember if you take damage then jump to a new system and someone kills you then they are the only person on the kill mail so i jump in a battleship have some friends take me down to hull then jump system and get some nubbin to kill me in a noob ship and magic they're getting tons of sp

Cyno into high sec is a silly idea and since caps can now move through gates that's how they'll be getting there if/when they are alowed to go into high sec. Since caps can't currently be used for PvP in high sec then all you're really doing is making it easier to get from 1 end of eve to another since they can just jump through high sec.

Sadly you'll need a large number of alts to make this into a threadnaught i do wish you the best of luck though

Like I said, if someone wants to waste all that time and ISK to do it, they are still contributing to the movement of the EVE economy. So why not let them, its better than having people store thousands of items and ammo just so they can continually contribute to massive inflation for no better reason than greed.

Plus it adds great and very amusing stories to the community.


And Ix Method, like many other greatly lacking intellectuals before you, without any argument or explanation of why something is a poor idea or would negatively effect EVE player base, you add nothing to the thread and nothing to the community. Please come back when you learn how to argue or articulate your thoughts in a more precise and interesting manner.

If you feel you do not need to explain do not waste your time posting at all.

Your whole argument is fail because of this. Cost is not a good balancing factor, and CCP have stated this also. So idea is fail.

Which of these two categories does the OP fit into?

both

Also you are posting on a not even 2 year old character in a NPC corp, I suspect trolling, good game sir. o7

While I share your sentiment about cynos and this particular change to skill points, I don't agree with your argument that there should never be a change to skill points.

If CCP wants to change skill points for the betterment of the game, they have the right to do so, and they have zero obligation to refund you for anything at all.

Let me explain: In WoW when they made leveling up so much faster than it was in the past, they didn't have any obligation to monetarily give back to the people who spent much longer getting to the level cap.

In league of legends, when Riot wanted to make the legacy skins available to new consumers who couldn't have possibly gotten those skins because they didn't even know the game existed, they gave small in game concessions to the previous owners to those skins.

Before you say this has no bearing toward Eve, remember that skill points don't mean everything. Hell they don't even matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. What really matters is your personal ability to fly said ships and use your mods effectively. In this game skill is so much more important than skill points it's not even funny.

Edit to stay on topic:

This proposed change would actually remind me of another game that did skills wrong:

In Pardus, when you hit 50000 turns you start to accumulate Advanced Skill Points. Now there were two varieties to this: Advanced skill points which could be used on anything, and Advanced Trade Points which could only be used on the trade section of the skill tree. What it did was allowed combat pilots to get everything they wanted while industrialists, traders, miners, mission runners and pilots who did espionage and sabotage missions to be forced to grind up their combat stats in order to be at a level playing field with the combat pilots.

If you just add skill points to getting kills, then you make that the most efficient way to progress in many peoples eyes and make other activities that actually keep the economy going as undesirable. This also exemplifies Malcanis's law (new features suggested to help new players overwhelmingly help veterans more). This won't help new people, but will help people who know how to play the game already.