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Amarr Minmatar Baseliners in the War Zone
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Anslo
Scope Works
#1 - 2014-10-28 17:04:37 UTC
Simple question; anyone know of communities or cities or colonies or somewhere where Amarr and Minmatar baseliners living in the warzone have gone through so much back and forth that they simple co-exist without the slavery?

I know I know, slavery is a part of Amarr, a big one. I'm not trying to detract from it or whatever. But it's a big cluster, anything can happen.

So, anyone?

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#2 - 2014-10-28 17:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
I don't think there is any coexistence. There certainly aren't settlers, or people moving in, so you won't find Empire and Republic citizens living side-by-side, aside from the occupation forces.

I do expect that there is very little slavery in the warzone for simple pragmatic purposes. Republic occupational forces try to enforce its dissolution (or at least the manumission of all Matari), so I expect most Holders in the region have in anticipation of this fact already transferred their stock to core world holdings or sold it off to Holders in less volatile territories.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-10-28 17:24:45 UTC
I can bet there are though many colonies where Amarr and Minmatar baseliners coexist peacefully with slavery. And under Imperial rule.
I can bet even more, that under Republic rule, Amarr and baseliners might coexist without slavery, but definitely not peacefully, taking into account republician's attitude towards Imperials.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2014-10-28 17:25:22 UTC
So in your long stint in the Zone, Samira, you've never seen one mixed colony co-existing?...huh...interesting.

No I'm not saying you're full of **** or anything. I'm just surprised that none exist after all this time.

Hmm...

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#5 - 2014-10-28 17:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Anslo wrote:
So in your long stint in the Zone, Samira, you've never seen one mixed colony co-existing?...huh...interesting.

No I'm not saying you're full of **** or anything. I'm just surprised that none exist after all this time.

Hmm...


Most people are trying to leave the warzone colonies, not immigrate to them. This will be the case for as long as the war lasts. So the population ratio remains relatively static.

You won't be seeing mixed colonies until after the war ends and stability returns to the region. Then any territories that have permanently changed hands will start seeing large-scale settling by the new sovereignty.
Anslo
Scope Works
#6 - 2014-10-28 17:31:31 UTC
Really now? Long term eh?....I think I'm gonna do a thing. Thanks for the input Samira!

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#7 - 2014-10-28 17:34:37 UTC
I seem to recall reading somewhere, that most of the Minmatar systems are now uninhabited, planetside.

Amamake was the example given. Uninhabited, save for any garrisons of planet-based weapons.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#8 - 2014-10-28 18:03:57 UTC
I find the scenario unlikely. Baseliners are a lot more bound by ideological conduct than we are, in general.
Karynn Denton
Astrometrica
#9 - 2014-10-28 18:13:32 UTC
Interesting.

Katanga Caravan would be keen to trade with such communities, if they exist.
Please, let me know if you encounter any.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Anslo
Scope Works
#10 - 2014-10-28 18:14:20 UTC
No.

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Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2014-10-28 18:32:18 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I can bet even more, that under Republic rule, Amarr and baseliners might coexist without slavery, but definitely not peacefully, taking into account republician's attitude towards Imperials.


You have it backwards.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#12 - 2014-10-28 18:47:56 UTC
It's not backwards, but it's also not accurate. Social unrest between the two happens in both empires and has become a lot more pronounced since the war started.

Thus any coexisting that happens after the war ends is going to be a cause of strife between the peoples involved, rather than peaceful mingling.
Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2014-10-28 18:51:34 UTC
But you think if it ever happened, it'd only be AFTER the war, right?

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2014-10-28 18:52:38 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
It's not backwards, but it's also not accurate. Social unrest between the two happens in both empires and has become a lot more pronounced since the war started.

Thus any coexisting that happens after the war ends is going to be a cause of strife between the peoples involved, rather than peaceful mingling.


Frankly you can lay the blame for that at the feet of people who decided to build the warzone from populated colonies. Madness! Black Rise was always bleak, but the Minmatar/Amarr frontier is starting to rival it.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-10-28 19:04:09 UTC
Siddhar Gangari wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I can bet even more, that under Republic rule, Amarr and baseliners might coexist without slavery, but definitely not peacefully, taking into account republician's attitude towards Imperials.


You have it backwards.

Mr. Gangari,

Do you agree, that Imperials can live as they want, that you must not tell them to stop being slavers, that you must not tell the release slavers. Do you agree, that they can pray to their God where they want, including your territories? Would you welcome a Holder with open arms, if he won't bring slaves to your territory, but will tell you he have millions left at his home?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Anslo
Scope Works
#16 - 2014-10-28 19:14:25 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
It's not backwards, but it's also not accurate. Social unrest between the two happens in both empires and has become a lot more pronounced since the war started.

Thus any coexisting that happens after the war ends is going to be a cause of strife between the peoples involved, rather than peaceful mingling.


Frankly you can lay the blame for that at the feet of people who decided to build the warzone from populated colonies. Madness! Black Rise was always bleak, but the Minmatar/Amarr frontier is starting to rival it.

Woopsie?

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#17 - 2014-10-28 19:24:15 UTC
Anslo wrote:
But you think if it ever happened, it'd only be AFTER the war, right?


Yes. Very few people want to move to wartorn areas. Settling is always something that happens after a war, not during.
Anslo
Scope Works
#18 - 2014-10-28 19:24:56 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Anslo wrote:
But you think if it ever happened, it'd only be AFTER the war, right?


Yes. Very few people want to move to wartorn areas. Settling is always something that happens after a war, not during.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#19 - 2014-10-28 19:32:05 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
It's not backwards, but it's also not accurate. Social unrest between the two happens in both empires and has become a lot more pronounced since the war started.

Thus any coexisting that happens after the war ends is going to be a cause of strife between the peoples involved, rather than peaceful mingling.


Frankly you can lay the blame for that at the feet of people who decided to build the warzone from populated colonies. Madness! Black Rise was always bleak, but the Minmatar/Amarr frontier is starting to rival it.


Wars are not fought over empty rock and space. Maybe Black Rise is about resources and potential profit, but in the southeast our war is about people.
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2014-10-28 20:00:50 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:


Most people are trying to leave the warzone colonies, not immigrate to them. This will be the case for as long as the war lasts. So the population ratio remains relatively static.



This especially more so for those few living on the surface of temperate planets with the advent of the Clone Soldier Technology.

Certainly I could imagine frontiersmen wishing to leave the warzone under normal circumstances, more so given the Imperial Guard and Tribal Command's new operators and their significantly greater capability to wreak havoc on planet-side infrastructure. While admittedly limited in terms of where they can operate, when, and how those conflicts do become very bitter and internicine from time to time.
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