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I don't, but in the long run it should be done... A Spanish Client.

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Eridanix
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#1 - 2014-10-23 04:59:19 UTC
Hello there!

My name is Eridanix Zakalwe and I want to make it visible that in the long run a good and perfect in shape Client for Spanish-speaking people should be done and offered just as the French one (for certain, congratulations for this Client, French are great and they merited to have their own dedicated Client, thumbs up!).

It's not because of Spaniard players, but for all the Spanish-speaking world - which is gainning weight and adquisition power in US$ so as in EU€, as it is reported by economical magazines, in a pace that would be enviable by the said Developed Countries -. They are accessing more and more games and of course they need an easy way to get into them. Now they are very represented in the F2P games, but they have become increasingly present in fee-type games such as WoW or Destiny.

They are usually good-mannered people and helpful to others, and in a little amount of time they will become one of the most primary targets for Game Developer Industries, as they are a market of almost 600M people and they are reaching a level of life that allows them to participate in our games.

So that, I would like to see an EVE online Spanish Client in the long run, when the time has come to let all that new people inside, with all the things made easy for them to understand what is going on in their favourite game and it all presented in the Spanish International Language, ( a Standard Spanish that is understood by all the Spanish-speakers in the world).

So that, and when all is said and done for my part, good morning from EU and,

Fly Safe & Thanks For All The Fish!
Vyl Vit
#2 - 2014-10-23 06:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Hi. I live with a lady from Spain. Have done for the past 18 years. She's from Bilbao. Yes, she's Basque, not a Spaniard. She is a Cambridge graduate (Fulbright Scholar) and she's a professional translator. (She's done contract work for the United States Justice Department.) According to her, there is Cuban, Colombian, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Argentinian and Chilean (to name but a few) and she tells me often times the one doesn't understand the other one. This is true especially with regard to vocabulary, but also in other uses I won't endeavor to go into here.

She says there are huge differences in the "Spanish" each of these speak. She herself speaks a flawless Castillian. She's a professional writer, as am I, and her English is better than any American's save but a very few. She also points out other differences when trying to translate English into Spanish. Due to the syntactical rules the Spanish version will inevitably (without fail) end up requiring more space than the original text. Sometimes this space requirement can be quite considerable.

I must say this is the first I've heard of a "Spanish International Language." Not to be disrespectful, but Cheech Marin of Cheech and Chong once wrote a song called "Mexican Americans" in which he says, "Mexican Americans take Spanish in night school and make Cs." This isn't to say anything about their scholastic abilities, so much as to reflect what is likely true about English speaking Americans. If they took English in night school they too would make Cs. (In fact an embarrassing number of Americans take English in high school and fail it completely.)

All this by way of saying, and I do understand the sincerity of your suggestion, that often times "good ideas" are suggested for EVE Online without any regard as to what sort of undertaking it would be to actually implement said "good ideas." I wouldn't, for instance, be so fast as to claim translating this game into Spanish would be either easy, or inexpensive. In fact, I would say from what little I know such a step would not only be time-consuming on a grand scale, it would also be very complicated coming up with a translation that would actually do what you suggest can be done, and needless to say the undertaking would be quite expensive.

Who would pay for it? This would be tantamount to a major investment. Some sort of definite return would have to be plausible to even consider such a thing as this. From what I hear about Spain's economy, they aren't doing so very well, and aren't expecting any improvement in the foreseeable future. Their outlook is bleak, in fact. As for the Spanish speaking nations such as Mexico, and those in South America such as Argentina, Peru and Chile, their economic outlook though not as abysmal as Spain's, certainly is no cause for celebration. Christine Lagarde, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, has predicted recently in a public address that the prospects for the world as a whole are not looking good.

So, I must conclude by saying I'd like to see what you propose come into existence. However, it's not as easy as it apparently seems. CCP must have looked into this already, and I wouldn't be surprised if they've got something in mind with regard to this. I just caution everyone when making suggestions - these ideas cost money. Ask yourself next time, "Who's going to pay for all this?" Are you?

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#3 - 2014-10-23 06:16:48 UTC
I'm sure CCP base the localization upon the number of players from said country with spoken language. So the more the bigger the chance. Also a better place for this thread is in Features & Ideas.

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#4 - 2014-10-23 07:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary This Rifter
Well... Spanish IS the second most widely spoken language in the world, after of course Chinese.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-10-23 08:02:53 UTC
As long as it isn't Portuguese. Don't need no 'League' influx into Eve. >.> Yes. We're glaring at you, Riot.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#6 - 2014-10-23 09:00:57 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
(points)


Counterpoint: Spanish speaking people from all the world had no difficulty understanding each other in the exctinct official Spanish channel. Although spoken/ non formal language can differ a lot, formal Spanish is quite standarized. Any literate Spanish speaker knows the formal meaning of verbs such as "coger", "tomar" or "manejar" albeit the spoken, informal meaning may be very different between Spain and Latin America.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-23 09:41:02 UTC
CCP should localize Klingoneze next. My fellow Klingons stuck on earth are currently passing the time with EVE until help arrives.

But seriously, I'm no language expert but how many dialects does the Spanish language have? I'm sure the spanish thought to us here is different in a different spanish colony at the other side of the world.

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LuisWu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-10-23 09:54:32 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Hi. I live with a lady from Spain. Have done for the past 18 years. She's from Bilbao. Yes, she's Basque, not a Spaniard.


She can present herself as a Jovian if she wants, but her passport says otherwise, and I´m from Bilbao too btw.

Also spanish universities are full of students coming from every single spanish-speaker country of South and North America. Yes, there are variations, but not as deep as you think.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2014-10-23 12:23:53 UTC
+1 Spanish localization would only be a good thing.

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Sukur
WhiteOps
#10 - 2014-10-27 21:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sukur
The reason to have a spanish client is not that there are many posible customers, which there are far more bigger than, for example german. And with 4x times the population of Germany+ Austria+Swiss there are a lot of them that are actually richer than the average european.

The reason to translate the client is that most of them are not as fluent in english as for example, germans. So the barrier to bother playing eve is higher for them. This happens when you live in a country surrounded by countrys that speak your same language and you can travel to other continents and still speak your language, it happens that learning other languages is seen as less important, you can ask people from EEUU about that ;).

Having a client in spanish and some tutorials as well will bring a lot ot customers to eve, specialy as eve is free to play now.

And about spanish language, there is only one spanish language as there is only one english, in fact more than in english. Uncultured people who cannot speak their own language are the ones who usually emigrate, thats the reason why the mexicans who emigrate to the states (as did everybody else who lives there, remember ;) ) dont pass the exams, if you pick people poor zones of the EEUU and make them take a test they woulnt pass it either. Other thing is when you peak at colloquial level. You can spot if someone is from Cuba, Mexico or Spain for the words they choose to say something in the same way you can know if somebody is from New York, Texas or Scotland. In fact you can know even wich city district he is from, just like english.

And the cost would be 35 000 €, for that price you can hire two person for a full year to translate the game (a translator and a programer). Dont tell me that they wont take the risk for that money. There are above 400 000 000 potential customers.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2014-10-28 00:06:05 UTC
Relevant.


Pretty much shows which languages are deserving the most of localization...



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Serene Repose
#12 - 2014-10-28 03:25:00 UTC
So. This should be easy...especially with all the volunteers to fund it...oh...am I in the WRITE place?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Sukur
WhiteOps
#13 - 2014-10-28 09:24:41 UTC
I have been playing since 2006. They can take the money i gave to them and invest it. This is capitalism you dont need volunteers. You take risk and get the reward. If CCP cant spend 35k € just to see what happens they dont deserve to exist.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#14 - 2014-10-28 11:47:43 UTC
There is a thread made by CCP calling for translators. See all the relevant details here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=233597
Eridanix
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#15 - 2014-10-29 02:26:40 UTC
To the guy with a girl from Bilbao... Well, tell your lady I'm Catalan and know what she feels about all this mess... We both, she and me belong to two different ethnic minorities that dwells into the inmense territory of what once was a vast and rich Empire Amarr-style and she knows it.

If you ask me if I'm a Spaniard I will tell you: No, Im a catalan, and not only that, but a proud one. Spain invaded our country 3 centuries ago and eradicated our language and our institutions, that curiously were very similar to the Icelandic old ones and they started a Program called "Ley De Nueva Planta" to erase all national traits and make Catalonia - a little but brave country - into a Spain's specially rich region; wealth of Catalonia is almost double of average Spain region, and We have the heavy Industry, the resources and the high Tech that Spain shows as hers.... well, tell your lady too that Catalonia is the 23% of the Spain Economy being only the 16% of its population and that Barcelona, capital city of Catalonia is the most visited city in Spain by tourist, being Spain the most visited country by European and Russian tourists... So that, tell her that she must not fight against anyone talking about Spanish in a good way...

Facts are that Catalonia is on the brink to get out of Spain domination - but we are going through an age of fire and there is a time when things become perilous - and we haven't shoot anyone... And Spanish Central Government is afraid and in deep despair as We Catalans can take a choice... that is to part away from the Spanish Kingdom and no one would be able to do anything against it....

The fact that I am from an ethnic minority doesn't mean that I'm against Puertorricans, Mexicans or Colombians, in fact they become independant from Spain the same way we are being forced to...

For the next time ask before shooting or I will shoot after you... and all your assumptions are wrong, Spanish language is International by itself; if an Argentinian write a book, and remember, Argentina is in the south hemisphere while my country Catalonia is in the northern part of the northern hemisphere all other spanish speakers will understand that novel, or scientific essay, or puzzle, or whatever... so as Argentinians would understand a novel or an essay, no matter how difficult it is written by a Colombian or a Peruvian or a Chilene, or a Mexican or a North-American of Jewish Sephardic origin living in his classy apartment in Manhattan, or a Philipine teacher, or a taxi-driver in New Mexico, or an Uruguay TV-series star, or a Quechua speaking indian from the heights of Bolivia etc etc etc... the list could follow for lines and lines... but this is EU and tomorrow I have to work.

International Monetary Fund has no clue on Economics, if they had a single idea of what is happening right down their own asses USA and EU wouldn't have been in serious economic crisis for these last years.... And forget it mr. Clever... uh, maybe you should take a mail course on Geopolitics to know a little bit about Spanish ethnic composition and a primary school course to learn basic manners and how to behave with others that arent't you.... And oh, don't forget that whatever you think the rest of US citizens are more clever than you and at least more or better informed and know that Spain belongs to NATO, being a Strategical Friend and Alliate for the US, being both friends and helping each other if things go ugly, in the military side of things, where your cleverness would be considered as a lack of courtesy and a clearly demonstration that maybe there are millions of Spanish Speaking people more elegant, well-mannered and intelligent than you.... So as you tried to make a troll'ish response I act as I always act against bloated and self-inflated people, they do speak Spanish, Samoan or Chinese... a troll is always a troll and an ignorant remains an ignorant wherever he comes out... luckily the rest of NA are friendly good honest people; NOT like you. And to your lady: ongi moldatzen zara? , dizkizut gau on!
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2014-10-29 03:11:24 UTC
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7. Discussion of real life religion and politics is prohibited.

Discussion of real life religion and politics is strictly prohibited on the EVE Online forums. Discussions of this nature often creates animosity between forum users due to real life political or military conflicts. CCP promotes the growth of a gaming community where equality is at the forefront. Nationalist, religious or political afiliations are not part of EVE Online, and should not be part of discussion on the EVE Online forums.

This thread has gone a little off topic. As a previous player already posted, CCP has previously canvassed for translators. I cannot imagine Spanish isn't at least on their radar. You could also open a support ticket and ask directly if there are any plans for a Spanish client.

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