Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would love to see the quote on this. Does this mean they are losing e-war immunity?

I think we as players could adapt to no low fuel notifications. I think it would add a new profession to the game (hunting down loot pinatas in space). Think of all the wonderful content that would generate. I'm not sure what's not to like about removing fuel notifications.

So I'll agree to disagree on the fuel notifications. Attacks for sure you should get a message. The rest of it... make it go dark.

They took a lot of info out of the WH api. There were some initial bitches, but nothing that wasn't half hearted. It was the correct thing to do, so any disention quickly vanished. I think getting rid of intel from data pulls would go a long way to getting folks back to actually playing the game. Thire party software should be limited to programs that aid in game play, not in afk play.

I think we're mostly on the same side, but would prefer to keep arguing

You really need to stop typing.

What CCP needs to do concerning POS's is actually create an in game POS command centre viewable by those in corp with the proper roles. How is it that I can see what's going on with PI from across the galaxy, but can't see the fuel level of a POS or silos without being there?

I don't know what is with people who think that POS's need to be more difficult.

Another idea. IF an in game POS command window existed (really Region Commander without the task management side), what you could do is enable the ability to "disrupt" communication between the POS command and the actual POS. Then feed the API info out of the POS command information. So now you have an actual reason for siphons to cause the API to lie, or other deployables. The information between the POS and the command centre is being disrupted and API is pulling from the disrupted information, not the POS directly. It would also give the little guy a leg up in managing POS's.

Management tools in terms of centralizing information are something I really think CCP needs to work on. Leave the actually player management or task coordination to the players. But providing information at an alliance/corp level could be better. AND on the flip side making information gathering tools disrupt able obviously provides a potential new form of gameplay.

Yes I went on a tangent.

I couldn't agree more

Refreshing to read comments from someone who gets it.

(apologies in advance for the wall of text but CCP really needs to hear the perspective of capital ship veterans who understand the instant, total-Eve mega-battle dilemma represented by the B-R concern. There is a way to save the capital accounts and ships of Eve without this senseless suicide on capital movement. The key is travel time, not jump delay time. Read on to see the impact of this massive capital ship nerf but do keep in mind that overpowered black ops will bring with it a great many other problems.)

After the reaction is done, the damage will not be as repairable as you think. When people walk away, they don't look back as often.

There may be some upsets on logistics, but this really isn't nearly as much of a case of general logistics, which will shift to your preferred jump freighters, as much as it is an issue of capital ship logistics. Capital ships and their pilots may be too plentiful in Eve, and if you are trying to reduce the number of cap ships and their accounts, this will do it, but not in any pvp kind of way.

No one likes to have billions in cap assets stuck out in the middle of no where with no jump options when things go south and all support is lost. And while a finite amount of risk can be acceptable, anyone can confirm that the prospect of a capital player being stuck with his cap ships out in the furthest reaches of null sec when their corp is kicked from alliance for no reason and without warning or his 5ly range of space is overrun is far from acceptable gameplay. The result is either limiting his capital movement to within 5-10 ly of a dockable station or leaving.

Unlike sub-cap ships, capital ships cannot be packaged and transported in a jump freighter, etc. They cannot hide in safe spots with constant warps to avoid getting scanned down. They cannot warp cloaked. They cannot evade gate bubbles during gate travel or get off a gate fast. They cannot go faster than subcaps or microjump or resist constant bumpage. In short, they currently require LARGE fleets for ALL operations, including any movement, in order to win all the engagements that they cannot evade. They only exception to this is the use of stations and pos, but with 1/3 the range, their options are now 1/9 of what they were before and the number of alts required are 3-9 times more in order to maintain similar options for mobility. Without mobility, caps are paralyzed. No sense logging in to a paralyzed account.

Several major concessions must be made to address the nerfs to cap mobility else life in null sec will look a lot like logging into a wormhole always waiting for enough people to support you in doing the most basic tasks (most of which, unlike the wormhole, provide no benefit to those holding your hand "to go to the bathroom" etc). People just slowly stop logging in anymore, unless they can find another option which opens up the content again. Subcaps will not care about this change, but as the capital players fall off, the work falls more to subcaps which grind sov slower; the subcaps will whine to you about reducing the sov structure hitpoints but the lost capital accounts will be gone for good along with the capital ships which were left in place on those accounts. Just as no one will ask why there are fewer caps despite no increase in capital kill rates, no one will look even further back to ask how the invention of supercapitals set this entire cap-nerf ball rolling in the first place. If supercapitals had never been, null sec would have no issue with regular capitals and these nerfs would have never been considered. While I agree with the basis of the concern for FCs having to consider a worst case of all enemies in Eve merits changes to how the jump drive allows instant engagement across vast distances (the keyword being INSTANT), I cannot support in any way this move to slash my skills and the distance traveled by my caps without any consideration and compensation for the massive effects on risk brought by these slashes on my favorite ships.

Wake-up CCP. Jump range nerfing and jump fatigue (except for your favorite Black Ops ships) is a dangerous move against your veterans and strongest supporters. Increasing travel times will give you what you want without all this collateral damage against capital accounts.

I too would like to see this, something I very much doubt considering the shitstorm we would have. I think many of us remember the fallout from when CCP was balancing fighter bombers and one of the devs told players to just target paint dreadnaughts and supercarriers.

Can you actually web a super thats immune to e-war?

Supercapitals started this whole snowball mess. ewar immunity is a bad joke in overpowered mechanics which combined with other bad jokes has led to so much nerf mess. 25 drones led to massive drone nerfs to supers. DD led to massive DD nerfs to supers. Massive super hp led to massive cap RR nerfs and to nerfs on the log-off safe trick; the log-off trick would not have existed without so much hp, though I must admit that I do agree with the approach on the fix there (no logoff with aggression and aggression by any party resets aggression timers for both parties indefinitely through to downtime). Even *if we manage to balance supers,* there are still plenty of other capital issues, many of which (like this jump fatigue) came about as a fix to a deeper problem in supers which CCP would not address.

Face it, CCP, the power of capital projection would be much, much less if supers did not exist because regular capitals have inherently much less power than supers. The BR- incident which catalyzed this initiative would have been much less significant if there were no overpowered supers. Though I do agree that the underlying problem of instant blobs from all of Eve should be addressed even without supers (much like the log-off trick needed to be addressed), the driving force would be much less and would allow a much more balanced and reasonable solution without overpowered supers forcing extreme solutions along with favoritism with black ops "pork" projects.

The idea of travel delay counters the instant Eve universe dog piles by forcing distant parties to enter the battle after the locals have finished their battle. Arriving late to the fight means that the battle brought by distant parties is new and separate from their battle, even if they both occur in the same space. It allows the local groups to dog pile and find a winner, and not have to worry about their worst case scenario includes parties beyond their local areas because after they win the field, they are free to leave or get more local and/or distant reinforcements before the next distant enemy arrives.

Keep in mind that what CCP are doing is dialling the caps etc back somewhat towards what they should've been to begin with. This is categorized as a catastrophic nerf only by self-entitled people like you have gotten used to them, and don't want to give it up. If CCP had done the right thing and added them in the state they're being converted to, you wouldn't be bitching and moaning up a storm and coming up with a ridiculous alternative which is unquestioningly drastically worse from a gameplay perspective than anything else I've seen in this and other threads so far.

"Hey guys you will now sit and look at intestines for 50 minutes while we warp 5LY. Or, you could switch off the monitor if you're tired of looking at intestines and bang your wife instead."