EVE General Discussion

You aren't ready for capitals Op, it will all end in tears.

Also, don't try to make a pvp battleship cap stable. Its ironic advice coming from me but please don't do that.

You have the right mentality... but you are clearly not ready. Stick to smaller ships for the time being and attach yourself to people who actually do use capitals.

After all... you don't want to end up like this guy.


The tricks are...

- plan

- have allies

- plan

- don't put all your eggs in one basket

- plan that your plan will go horribly wrong.

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A dreadnought can't hit a battleship unless both are standing still and/or the battleship is webbed by 2 or 3x.

A carrier can't really deal with smaller ships unless it completely gives up its primary role as a giant repair ship... in which case, it won't survive against anything battleship sized and up.

I really hate to burst your bubble... but again, you are looking at ships that pretty much require fleet support from other frigates and battleships to perform well.

What should I get for my fitting to protect against frigates? Webbers? Drone Links for Range? Cap neutralizers to help me to counter scramblers?

Sentries versus Light drones with range Links?

Time to brush off the locator agents.

If you throw them just right. It's all in the wrist.

Make sure to use all faction module fittings for your ship. The really really nice ones!

That's actually one of the best realizations a new player can have and it's certainly not sad. EVE is built to be a game where ships are divided to roles rather than firepower. Think about it like this - what would be the point of 300+ ship types in the game if there was a clear progression from smaller ships to bigger ones? It would only make an "end game" situation which is not that interesting. EVE is all about variety and choices.



Price of the modules and their capability is not a guaranteed win in most situations - and that's a good thing. Sure, the expensive fit can get you that bleeding edge advantage in a tight fight, but only if you did everything else in the fight good. Think of it like this - if you give a Lamborghini to a 70 years old suburban grandma, the car has the potential to be extremely powerful but it all depends on the skill of the driver.

The real design issue that many other games suffer from is the complete opposite philosophy - having a player with more money than brains own on the field just because he has the best gear.



Well, not exactly. Sure, you can't win in all situations, but that's the main point of the game.

First, have a look at this (old but still good) solo (and some small gang) battleship PvP video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0FdO7pjMkY After watching it, do you still think that battleships are underpowered? By the way, there are many BS video out there, but I like this one because it shows that expensive fit is not that important (that whole fit costs about 500 mil... maybe even less now since the price drop of shield faction modules). What is important, however, is timing, tactics, positioning on the field and place where you choose to have a fight. Then comes shield management, bait tanking, capacitor management,... and after all that is done properly, more expensive modules would play a role.

Battleships can certainly hit smaller targets, even the smallest ones. You just have to know how and when to approach and deal with them.

Regarding battleships vs bigger ships: battleships are the biggest sub-capital ships and the only ones bigger belong to capital type. Capital ships are mainly designed and used for territory warfare (I didn't say sovereignty because they are used in lowsec for FW, POS and POCO warfare as well). You are not meant to engage a capital ship solo and they are not meant to be flown without sub-capital support. So, the theoretical 1vs1 battleship vs capital is very rare, if it ever happened.

Multiple battleships in a fleet, however, have many advantages over capitals, including but not limited to: higher speed, better agility, better tracking and with some fits even higher firepower.



Carriers have a logistics and support role. They were not designed to be flown solo, although many inexperienced nullsec ratters tend to think so with hilarious killmails as a result. The main roles of a carrier are:

• shield repair for those who have shield rep bonuses. It's used mainly for repairing a damaged POS or in-space infrastructure elements;
• transferring fitted ships during deployment preparations. A carrier has a special bay where you can place fitted ships and transfer them to the staging system of whatever operation your corporation is engaged in;
• A carrier can fit a special Triage module which is specifically designed for it. Triage fitted carriers are used as remote repair support in mid-size engagements or as support to supercapitals. They are also used as sacrifice to save the supercapitals;
• Combat fitted carriers are mainly used in large numbers. There is a fleet doctrine called "Slowcats" that proved to be very effective way of using combat carriers. Google a bit about it and see what you can learn.
• as a remote repair support in capital escalation PvE sites in wormholes (the sites are actually designed for capital ship use and have special spawns if capital ships are present on the field);
• Some players use carriers to rat in 0.0 space. They often end up on the wrong side of a killmail and have been for years a source of amusement for general player population.

Generally speaking, a carrier is a social ship and designed for individuals that participate in groups that can utilize them. If you prefer small scale and solo PvP it would be smart to consider whether you have a use for a capital ship. They can be useful in small groups, but it really depends of your in-game goals and style of play. For example, building a carrier yourself in a small class wormhole system held by your corp (since they have too much mass to enter some of the lower level W-Space system) can provide your small group with a great tactical advantage over whoever wants to hunt you in your home system, since the only way to have a carrier in, for example C1 class wormhole system, is to build one on site.

I hope this wall of text helps you at least a bit

It goes for a RL as well where USS Cole was almost sunk by two guys in a dingy while being refuelled at the harbour.

Anyway as it's has been said many times over a lone capital is a dead capital and they die in WH all the time and even more so in low / null sec.
Carrier is a logistic ship, yes it has fighters but those are more scare then an actual threat. Same goes for dreads that are literally the linchpin of capitals since their main stay is to sit and die while in siege.

Your best defense, OP, from AssFrigs is having an escort of buddies either in Ishkurs.......or Ishtars.

Altho if you want to go cheap a group of neut Domi's are also truly evil as well.

Dude stay away from bigger ships for now, you shouldn't fly what you cant replace. That means if you cant earn enough isk ingame to cover your loss then don't undock. Pimping ships wont help you if you don't know how to use them properly. You cant buy experience with money, you have to earn it like the rest of us.