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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#361 - 2014-10-27 15:39:24 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
poeple will always target you if u make urself an easy target just saying.



Well, I don't get targeted because I am very good at what I do. The problem is that the new/casual players do get targeted and driven out of the game.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#362 - 2014-10-27 15:39:25 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
[ It creates and effectively lawless and dystopian society in highsec


Gasp!, you mean people are creating EVE ONLINE in high sec? How dare they?!??!

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, and drives a lot of more reasonable players out of the game.


You have no proof of this at all.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#363 - 2014-10-27 15:43:14 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
poeple will always target you if u make urself an easy target just saying.



Well, I don't get targeted because I am very good at what I do. The problem is that the new/casual players do get targeted and driven out of the game.



Even if that were true (again, you have no proof, you bevel this because it fits into your insane preconceived notions), why is this your concern? No one appointed you savior of the mythical new people. I say mythical because "new people" for fly freighters lol.

This is an example of someone self appointing themselves as guardian of the "downtrodden". EVE players are mostly adults, they don't need you to crap up the forums on a crusade to "save" people to pitiful to properly learn a video game.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#364 - 2014-10-27 15:44:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Well, I don't get targeted because I am very good at what I do. The problem is that the new/casual players do get targeted and driven out of the game.


some yes, but then in warcraft (Gasp) for example nobody stopped that level 90 character killing me in the alliance capital. didnt break the game for me i just went about my business somewhere else.

in tera the same thing seemed to happen to me wherever i went.

in clash of clans people with bigger towns than mine usually raid and steal my precious loot.

i dont see hordes of players leaving the game becuase of it. therfore i conclude that it is working as intended.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#365 - 2014-10-27 15:45:42 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Haleuth wrote:


First off, why would i bother to read your huge amount of whine posts? Two is enough to realise that you do not grab the concept of what Eve online is about. The whole game, including highsec, is meant to be lawless and dystopian.

Second, with even the most basic understanding of high sec mechanics, you would realise that a -10 cannot participate in RvB. I'm there because i have alot of old friends, enjoy the banter and like to help new players with fits and isk. Yes, you read that right.....NEW PLAYERS, the very people that you state are being driven out of the game.

Third, and most importantly, players that spend one day in RvB are more elite than you. They are up for a fight without concord jamming their target for instance, something that is beyond your capabilities.

You state that you "do a tremendous amount of highsec PvE". There are countless other space mmo's that allow you to do that activity while having your hand held. It's your fault that you chose the wrong game to play.

It's also your fault that you are not well versed in ganking mechanics to have any idea how to stop them, the old eve slogan adapt or die comes to mind.

They are stoppable, you chose to fight them with words rather than guns.



More nonsense. Highsec is by definition not lawless. Never claimed RvB are -10.

PvP doesn't make you more "elite" than PvE. It's a choice - both are valid. I prefer PvE. And I enjoy playing Eve for the PvE, why would I play something else. I shouldn't need to "stop" gankers in highsec. We have a police force. Criminals, especially repeat offenders, should be properly punished.


Damn you CCP for your prohibition against talking politics on here, were it not for that i'd have some nice words for the guy who thinks that the "newbies" (poor people) need hugging and protecting and that it's the responsibility of the police to protect people from their own stupidity!!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#366 - 2014-10-27 15:47:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
poeple will always target you if u make urself an easy target just saying.



Well, I don't get targeted because I am very good at what I do. The problem is that the new/casual players do get targeted and driven out of the game.



Even if that were true (again, you have no proof, you bevel this because it fits into your insane preconceived notions), why is this your concern? No one appointed you savior of the mythical new people. I say mythical because "new people" for fly freighters lol.

This is an example of someone self appointing themselves as guardian of the "downtrodden". EVE players are mostly adults, they don't need you to crap up the forums on a crusade to "save" people to pitiful to properly learn a video game.


The retention rate for highsec players is very low. And most people would agree that getting scammed/ganked/stomped, etc... doesn't help. I'm perfectly entitled to speak up for them. And I could care less if you consider them "pitiful," for I consider them the decent and emotionally stable people the game needs more of.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#367 - 2014-10-27 15:59:45 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


More nonsense. Highsec is by definition not lawless. Never claimed RvB are -10.

PvP doesn't make you more "elite" than PvE. It's a choice - both are valid. I prefer PvE. And I enjoy playing Eve for the PvE, why would I play something else. I shouldn't need to "stop" gankers in highsec. We have a police force. Criminals, especially repeat offenders, should be properly punished.

*cough*
Veers "1337" Belvar wrote:
I'm elite PvE, elite PvP, and elite Eve.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#368 - 2014-10-27 15:59:57 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


The retention rate for highsec players is very low. And most people would agree that getting scammed/ganked/stomped, etc... doesn't help.


Where is your proof?



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I'm perfectly entitled to speak up for them. And I could care less if you consider them "pitiful," for I consider them the decent and emotionally stable people the game needs more of.


Again, no one appointed you to anything. Speak for yourself.

Added to that, "decent and emotionally stable" people don't quit a video game that they knew (or should have known, if they can use google) was harsh before they installed it, they press on to victory and fun. The people you are speaking for are the weak and will-less and the game is better off without them as all they would do is beg CCP to compensate for their personal lack by dumbing down the game (further).

You'd be more useful to the community if you spent your time trying to help worthy and mentally compatible people learn to survive in EVE rather than what you actually do (which is sperg uselessly on these forums).
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#369 - 2014-10-27 16:03:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Quote:
I'm perfectly entitled to speak up for them. And I could care less if you consider them "pitiful," for I consider them the decent and emotionally stable people the game needs more of.

Added to that, "decent and emotionally stable" people don't quit a video game that they knew (or should have known, if they can use google) was harsh before they installed it, they press on to victory and fun. The people you are speaking for are the weak and will-less and the game is better off without them as all they would do is beg CCP to compensate for their personal lack by dumbing down the game (further).

You'd be more useful to the community if you spent your time trying to help worthy and mentally compatible people learn to survive in EVE rather than what you actually do (which is sperg uselessly on these forums).

Maybe it would help if you joined the people you were speaking up for, and leave this horrible place.

Perhaps move to WoW or someplace filled with more decent and emotionally stable people.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#370 - 2014-10-27 16:04:34 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm perfectly entitled to speak up for them.

you are entitled to speak for yourself and no one els veers,
drop the messianic complex man, its ugly.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#371 - 2014-10-27 16:06:32 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm perfectly entitled to speak up for them.

you are entitled to speak for yourself and no one els veers,
drop the messianic complex man, its ugly.

More like
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm perfectly entitled


Eh, wait a second

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#372 - 2014-10-27 16:06:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Quote:
I'm perfectly entitled to speak up for them. And I could care less if you consider them "pitiful," for I consider them the decent and emotionally stable people the game needs more of.

Added to that, "decent and emotionally stable" people don't quit a video game that they knew (or should have known, if they can use google) was harsh before they installed it, they press on to victory and fun. The people you are speaking for are the weak and will-less and the game is better off without them as all they would do is beg CCP to compensate for their personal lack by dumbing down the game (further).

You'd be more useful to the community if you spent your time trying to help worthy and mentally compatible people learn to survive in EVE rather than what you actually do (which is sperg uselessly on these forums).

Maybe it would help if you joined the people you were speaking up for, and leave this horrible place.

Perhaps move to WoW or someplace filled with more decent and emotionally stable people.


I saw you replied to me and I was all like "goddamn Goons, I remember being in NCDot when yall kicked us out of Tribute, now this forum post is too far, THIS MEANS WAR!!!".

Then i realized you were talking to Veers Big smile
Haleuth
Peoples Liberation Army
Goonswarm Federation
#373 - 2014-10-27 16:11:16 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Haleuth wrote:


First off, why would i bother to read your huge amount of whine posts? Two is enough to realise that you do not grab the concept of what Eve online is about. The whole game, including highsec, is meant to be lawless and dystopian.

Second, with even the most basic understanding of high sec mechanics, you would realise that a -10 cannot participate in RvB. I'm there because i have alot of old friends, enjoy the banter and like to help new players with fits and isk. Yes, you read that right.....NEW PLAYERS, the very people that you state are being driven out of the game.

Third, and most importantly, players that spend one day in RvB are more elite than you. They are up for a fight without concord jamming their target for instance, something that is beyond your capabilities.

You state that you "do a tremendous amount of highsec PvE". There are countless other space mmo's that allow you to do that activity while having your hand held. It's your fault that you chose the wrong game to play.

It's also your fault that you are not well versed in ganking mechanics to have any idea how to stop them, the old eve slogan adapt or die comes to mind.

They are stoppable, you chose to fight them with words rather than guns.



More nonsense. Highsec is by definition not lawless. Never claimed RvB are -10.

PvP doesn't make you more "elite" than PvE. It's a choice - both are valid. I prefer PvE. And I enjoy playing Eve for the PvE, why would I play something else. I shouldn't need to "stop" gankers in highsec. We have a police force. Criminals, especially repeat offenders, should be properly punished.


More nonesense, high sec is safer, not safe, it's been this way for over 11 years, it's this way by design, part of the original concept, read CCP Falcon's recent post on the subject. Why should it be changed for you?

From what i see, you dont PvE, you whine on forums, constantly, thats your game, thats what you pay for. How could anyone whine as much as you do and still have the time to do any PvE?

"I shouldn't need to "stop" gankers in highsec" More nonesense, more failure to grasp what a sandbox is all about, it's the job of players to counter this activity, not CCP. And you dont stop it because your clueless.

This is what player generated content within a sandbox is all about. PvE is not content in Eve, it's a means to earn the currency to create content or be part of it. Players like you benefit from this activity. If there was no ganking, there'd be no anti ganking. If there was no ganking you would have little reason to whine on all the forums that you do on this subject.

You feel that gankers should be "properly punished". I take it that this is because you feel that this issue should be as it is in real life? Well, the police, i.e Concord act the same way as real life, they turn up after the crime has been commited.

You should come with me on some ganking, i'd be happy to teach you everything i know, you'd realise how much effort goes into the activity, and you'd learn alot about how to stop it. You might even get a taste for it.

Thats a genuine offer btw.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#374 - 2014-10-27 16:12:56 UTC
Veers is this your first/only toon?

i only ask because in my experience players who enjoy the pve are younger players.

However eventually pve becomes boring, repetitive, unchallenging and now recently not even worth it (for the loot drop nerfs ceeceepee)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#375 - 2014-10-27 16:14:21 UTC
Perhaps more buffs to the magical teleporting space "police"... is what they are getting at.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nevil Oscillator
#376 - 2014-10-27 16:15:01 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


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A lot of the time Concord responds to crime by not doing anything if you see my point.
I see your point, but it is working as intended, Concord only respond to "serious" crime.


Once the timer has expired they forget all about it, perhaps there should be conditions under which a suspect flag remains for an extended duration.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#377 - 2014-10-27 16:18:00 UTC
lock all gankers out of stations, and prohibit them from using gates they must stay in space till they are dead.
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just kididng
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#378 - 2014-10-27 16:20:00 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm perfectly entitled to speak up for them.


"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar
Nuff said

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#379 - 2014-10-27 16:22:26 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


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A lot of the time Concord responds to crime by not doing anything if you see my point.
I see your point, but it is working as intended, Concord only respond to "serious" crime.


Once the timer has expired they forget all about it, perhaps there should be conditions under which a suspect flag remains for an extended duration.

such as?
i spend a lot of my time in game suspect flagged so .
currently the 15 minuet timer is extended if i steal anything els or if i shoot at anyone's assets in space.
and fyi i get shot at by players at gates all the time if i travel with that timer (bears might be cowards but you run into all sorts at gates)

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#380 - 2014-10-27 16:26:26 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


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A lot of the time Concord responds to crime by not doing anything if you see my point.
I see your point, but it is working as intended, Concord only respond to "serious" crime.


Once the timer has expired they forget all about it, perhaps there should be conditions under which a suspect flag remains for an extended duration.
The GCC timer is the equivalent of a custodial sentence, once you've served your "time" as it were, you're considered to be rehabilitated to a certain extent.

Jenn aSide is probably more able to explain it clearly, he deals with that sort of thing in RL.

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