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Scam Alert - Alliance: Vanguard. Corp: Raven's Flight
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Lor Tann
Veldspar Mafia
#1 - 2014-10-26 20:32:13 UTC
Hey guys

Just making a post to let everyone know not to offer Merc contracts to the Alliance: Vanguard.

I made a post in here a few weeks ago offering a contract to kill a medium POS in low sec. I got a mail from Wingmate, a director in Raven's Flight, saying they could take it. We agree on terms and I sent the initial payment then Wingmate blocks me and I never hear anything again.

Thought I would share so no one else would get caught by these scammers.

Thanks!
Expron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-10-26 20:39:39 UTC
if you did not speak directly to an alliance diplomate, you deserve to be scammed homie
Lor Tann
Veldspar Mafia
#3 - 2014-10-26 20:41:59 UTC
Wingmate is both a Director and Diplomat.
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-10-26 20:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Wingmate
i have no idea what this person is talking about, but thanks for the post!

edit: i am a corp diplomat, not an alliance one. i'm also a corp director, not an alliance one.

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
Expron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-10-26 20:49:22 UTC
Lor Tann wrote:
Wingmate is both a Director and Diplomat.


not a listed alliance diplo, so it is your fault still, that's how diplomacy works
Lor Tann
Veldspar Mafia
#6 - 2014-10-26 23:51:57 UTC
Corp Info showing him listed as Diplomat

Our correspondence invalidating his claims of not knowing me

I'm not saying it is not my fault, I am calling the alliance out for being scammers. To info everyone else to be wary of them.
Phoebe Chevalier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-10-27 00:17:29 UTC
Corp Info showing him listed as Diplomat totally means he is not being an alliance diplomat, since alliance info doesn't list him being alliance diplomat.

So, in my restricted mind and being someone who has a quite restricted mind: if someone offers someone else he might take down a POS with his buddies and not talking about "Me and Vanguard." or "Me and RAFL" or "Me and my alliance" or "Me and my Corp" still means he and his buddies, which aren't exactly defined as his corp or alliance.
Lor Tann
Veldspar Mafia
#8 - 2014-10-27 00:33:34 UTC
Him being a scammer is a reflection of him being diplomat of corp and/or alliance. Even if he was only going to do it with his buddies he is still an appointed diplomat for his Corp, which in turn is representing the alliance. Now if they were to kick him from the corp or kick the corp from the alliance then I would just assume that he and only he is a scammer. As it stands they are all lumped in together as scammers. Arguing that he wasn't an alliance diplomat is semantics, corps go on "corp only" ops all the time. I understood the risks of sending a guy 500M isk upfront that is why we split the total payment up into milestones. The ONLY reason this is getting posted is to help fellow capsuleers understand what they are getting into and try and safeguard their assets when dealing with Vanguard., Raven's Flight, and Wingmate.
Formerly Known As AC
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#9 - 2014-10-27 00:52:57 UTC
For a 250 million ISK donation not only will I pretend to care, but I will also pretend to look into this.

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The terminal end of the digestive system. 

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Lor Tann
Veldspar Mafia
#10 - 2014-10-27 00:54:57 UTC
Formerly Known AsAC wrote:
For a 250 million ISK donation not only will I pretend to care, but I will also pretend to look into this.


How about 150 up front and 150 when the care is done? Big smile
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-10-27 01:31:25 UTC
So, someone involved in white collar crime is accusing someone else of being a scammer? Interesting...

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Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-10-27 01:47:18 UTC
i'm missing something here. where did i say anything about my alliance doing anything?

additionally, when did i say when i'd do it?

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
Lor Tann
Veldspar Mafia
#13 - 2014-10-27 02:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lor Tann
Wingmate wrote:
i'm missing something here. where did i say anything about my alliance doing anything?

additionally, when did i say when i'd do it?


I'm just going to go out on a limb and say you were never going to do it because:

1. You never returned my mails or convo invites.
2. You blocked me prior to this thread ever being made.
3. You replied to this thread saying that you never heard of me after we swapped mails multiple times while negotiating terms.

I never said I expected your alliance to plan an op around this. I included Vanguard. in the post because well...you are in Vanguard.
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-10-27 02:44:51 UTC
i didn't say i'd never heard of you. i said i didn't know what you were talking about. i've never known vanguard. to scam people.

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
Formerly Known As AC
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#15 - 2014-10-27 02:49:51 UTC
Lor Tann wrote:
Formerly Known AsAC wrote:
For a 250 million ISK donation not only will I pretend to care, but I will also pretend to look into this.


How about 150 up front and 150 when the care is done? Big smile


Deal.

I shall commence the caring once the first deposit has been made.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Lor Tann
Veldspar Mafia
#16 - 2014-10-27 03:21:49 UTC
Well, refund my isk or complete the contract.
Crystalline Entity
Black Dragon PHP
#17 - 2014-10-27 13:11:59 UTC
Are these actual tears, in C&P?

That takes me back... kleptomaniacs anybody? :)
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#18 - 2014-10-27 13:21:52 UTC
Does it matter if he is an alliance diplomat or not?

Corp director/diplomat in Vanguard scammed someone... all anyone should need to hear to not use these guys.

Not today spaghetti.
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-10-27 14:13:27 UTC
since we're not a merc alliance, i'd be surprised if anyone *asked* to use them.

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#20 - 2014-10-27 14:20:05 UTC
OP looks like an Acorn.

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